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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: He is God. He is good, and evil is evil. That is either true, or it isn’t. But we can’t have it both ways because in the very beginning God said, "Let there be light." And there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness (Genesis 1: 3-4) Non sequitur. God didn't "equate" light with good. He said that a lot of things were good: the land and seas (Gen 1:10), the plants (Gen 1:12), the sun, moon and stars (Gen 1:18), the whales, etc. (Gen 1:21), the beast of the earth (Gen 1:25) and finally, everything that He had made (Gen 1:31). And notice that He called it "good", not "perfect". Anything "good" can be "better" or "worse" than anything alse that is "good". So you can't just say that light is good and darkness is evil. It's all good. (Of course, the degree of goodness is relative - it all depends on the situation.) The good/evil, true/false dichotomy doesn't work. Congratulations. You've just demonstrated that (your) religion is illogical. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kader writes: ... why would someone chose to believe in something he trutfully don't know if it is true or not. That's what belief is: a substitute for knowing. When we don't know, we can only believe. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kader writes: "God exist and you are CRAZY not to see it!!" You know ....that kind of "belief" That isn't belief. It's wishful thinking - another step down the ladder. "True" believers (and there are some on this thread) know that they don't know. They fill the gaps in their knowledge with what they "believe" are the most logical answers. Most important, they are willing to be wrong about their beliefs. "False" believers (and there are some of them on this thread too) don't understand the difference between believing and knowing. They wish they knew and they delude themselves into thinking that they do know. They think that shouting, "I do! I do! I do believe in spooks!" is logic. Whistling in the dark is easier on the ears, but apparently not as satisfying. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Brian writes: ... anyone who wasn't convinced 100% that Jesus is God, that is convinced in their heart, then they weren't considered to be a Christian at all. Yeah, that's the rhetoric.But I think a lot of them are just trying to convince themselves that they're convinced. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: Do you get your jollies trying to poke holes in the Bible or what? I haven't poked any holes in the Bible. I've quoted the Bible to show that you are wrong. You haven't addressed the point of my post at all. Here's what I quoted:
quote: I pointed out that your Genesis 1 quote has nothing to do with good versus evil - everything was good. Therefore, your statement that God is good and evil is evil does not follow from your own quote. Non sequitur. Once again, you demonstrate that your religion is illogical. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: He did not say that the darkness was good, He said that the light was good. Big difference! Still not paying attention? Tsk tsk.
quote: Everything that He made was good - the darkness and the light.There simply is no good/evil dichotomy in Genesis 1. You should really stop trying to look at things as right and wrong or black and white. No "trying" necessary. Your posts speak for themselves.(Though it is a little embarassing to be seen picking on the poster-boy for illogic.) Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: ... is it good to point out darkness (evil) for what it is? Irrelevant. You used a quote from Genesis 1 to "conclude" that God is good and evil is evil. I pointed out that that conclusion does not follow in any way, from your quote in Genesis 1. Now you're backtracking and trying to bring in quotes from all over creation to show that your conclusion is correct. But I'm not questioning your conclusion. I'm questioning your logic in reaching that conclusion. Based on your original logic from Genesis 1 alone, your conclusion does not follow.
So your position is also faith based. I haven't taken any position. I'm not necessarily even trying to show the flaws in your position. I'm trying to show the flaws in your route to that position. If you skip steps, if you take shortcuts, if The AnswerTM is your goal, you can miss a lot along the way. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: You have not shown that. You did show however, that I made a shortcut that I did not see. You went from A to C without passing through B. That shortcut is a flaw in logic. I repeat: Based on your original logic from Genesis 1 alone, your conclusion does not follow.
I am even more secure of the coherence of my position than before. That's a shame. The point is not to prop up your position - it's to improve your methodology. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
anastasia writes: Apparently I am not as 'deep' as some of you, but where is the whole idea of God creating darkness coming from? From the Off-Topic Sea. The subject is the logic, not the subject of the logic. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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