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Topic: Must religion be logical?
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Woodsy
Member (Idle past 3404 days) Posts: 301 From: Burlington, Canada Joined: 08-30-2006
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How about the "I don't know" position? I suspect we would all believe a lot less "crap" if only it wasn't so hard to say "I don't know", and wait patiently for more information. Personally, I suspect that this is the origion for much of religion. In addition to "I don't know", the idea of degrees of confidence can be very useful.
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Woodsy
Member (Idle past 3404 days) Posts: 301 From: Burlington, Canada Joined: 08-30-2006
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Let's try a little experiment (following Tolkein). I ask: "What do I have in my pockets?" How do you proceed? (hint: I have only things that I commonly do, this is not a setup.)
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Woodsy
Member (Idle past 3404 days) Posts: 301 From: Burlington, Canada Joined: 08-30-2006
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That's what I hoped you would reply. You set out to find out! Now, suppose I am slow in replying (I will answer soon, not teasing), and you are feeling impatient (as you might, according to your post), how might you carry on?
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Woodsy
Member (Idle past 3404 days) Posts: 301 From: Burlington, Canada Joined: 08-30-2006
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Sure. What I was getting at is that the next reasonable step would be to consider likely items such as coins etc, then maybe less likely ones. However, you might have varying degrees of confidence, but could never be certain, without checking, as you set out to do. Even in this simple case, a range from "pretty likely" to "I don't know" seems to me to serve. In any case, would you say you would be comfortable stating a "position" prior to checking? In fact, I had a pen, a grocery bill, and a radiation dosimeter (I use it for my work). I expect you would easily think of the first two, but not the last. Thank you very much for patiently humouring me in this.
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Woodsy
Member (Idle past 3404 days) Posts: 301 From: Burlington, Canada Joined: 08-30-2006
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It's just that, although one can certainly "consider the possibilities" and be somewhat further ahead, one has to wait for the information to "really know". I wear a dosimeter while I test things for radioactivity. We test things such as soils, drinking water, rocks etc and even do some simple dating measurements. best regards
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Woodsy
Member (Idle past 3404 days) Posts: 301 From: Burlington, Canada Joined: 08-30-2006
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One has to be careful about which red flag one waves at which bull! As an analytical chemist, I'm really, really picky about how observations get to be considered information. However, let's leave that one for another time.
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Woodsy
Member (Idle past 3404 days) Posts: 301 From: Burlington, Canada Joined: 08-30-2006
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Re: Logic
When I refer to systems I refer to the environmental system as a whole, the system of the universe and how it performs perfectly, our earth system that provides perfectly the needs that we have etc.. How do you know the universe performs perfectly? What does "perform" mean in this context? For that matter, I do not see any sensible meaning for "perfect" in this context. You should note that if we were inserted naked into a random location in the universe, we would have almost no chance of surviving for more than a few seconds. Our chances would be somewhat better on the earth, but they would still be pretty slim. How is this providing perfectly for us?
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Woodsy
Member (Idle past 3404 days) Posts: 301 From: Burlington, Canada Joined: 08-30-2006
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Re: Logic
The properties of the universe and of the things in it arise from the laws of physics in various complicated ways. If the laws were different, the properties would be different. I do not see that the idea of "perfection" can be sensibly applied at all. As an example, consider putting objects of various shapes into a jar. Spherical objects will stack differently from cubical ones, and differently again from pyramidal ones. There is nothing perfect or otherwise about this. It is just the way it is. You should be aware that it is easy to compose impressive-sounding statements that actually say nothing at all.
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