Is Evolutionist Disparagement of Creationism Justified?

Why do you even try to argue using evidence when you hold it in contempt?This is why I disparage your brand of YEC. We try to arrange facts to make sense, while you initially twist facts to fit your beliefs and then ultimately say that facts don't mean much.If facts and their consistent interpretation are unimportant, then why are you on a science board?ABB

Unsurprising. Anything but being pinned down on most any scientific subject and then playing martyr when we don't agree with your presumptions about nature.You have two trends going... an admitted lack of knowledge and poor ability to reason. When teamed up with a foregone conclusion this creates a formidible force for fooling oneself.It started as sedimentation,deposition, and erosion. Then it moved to great time.Then it moved to the geologic column.I don't think you want to discuss any fine point of science as it deviates from your view. You seem to want to keep discussion alive not to try to resolve any one point but to continue to shotgun out many vague objections. This serves to instill doubt and to rhetorically squirm away from any one subject.If you change your mind you have an unencumbered fora with Jazzns. Jazz has the knowledge and patience to explain the 4d nature of historical geology point by point.ABB

A tough place to land when the paleos work your last over point by point, but it does, intentionally or not, lead to some of the crucial information that convinced most early geologists to discard flood theory...and that well before Darwin or radiometric dating. If you can stick with the details long enough you could see. Chances are you will question anything that invokes anything more than 6000 yrs at every turn to roadblock any thought.Also, here is Dinosaur National Monument, Utah/ColoradoThe quarry picture is lower right and clickable. No person is there for scale but the cliff face is aprox 30 ft.Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and my scoreboard says you are still 170 years behind.ABB Ragin' heathen since 1975

Thanks Holmes.You combine patience and the needed look at the importance of methodology. The thoughts on evo/creo in schools and the necessity of a cohesive creationist model were useful.ABB

Thanks... I had bookmarked a MP site a few days back thinking the same thing. Maybe a bit of 'Ann Elk' here too... thanks for the link."An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition""No it isn't!"Almost makes me long for the first room... abuse.ABB

Another link http://web1.shastacollege.edu/...Az/Paleozoic/Pz_histAz.html about the historical geology of the Grand Canyon area with maps showing waxing and waning of the ocean. Some fossil info at the end where it mentions the tracks in the Coconino sandstone.

Another link http://www.gcssepm.org/special/cuffey_10.htm that discusses faunal succession and its support of evolution.Asample paragraph:"This is the principle of faunal succession. It does not rely on untestable evolutionary assumptions. Faunal succession was first demonstrated by Smith in England, and by Cuvier and Brogniart in France, in the late 1700s and earliest 1800s (Dott & Prothero, 1994 p. 23-25). Evolution was not assumed; in fact, Cuvier believed that all life was created early, and d’Orbigny believed that different faunas were repeatedly created and wiped out by God (Dott & Prothero, 1994, p. 25, 2 6). Such observations preceded Darwin’s Origin of Species by more than 50 years."And a bit of another... "Faunal succession directly contradicts the predictions of creation science. All taxa, including higher taxa from genera to phyla, do not appear simultaneously in the fossil record."ABB

Your statement about The Grand Canyon being the most complete geologic column is incorrect; as you note there are large layers missing.However, there are several areas where near constant deposition has been occuring for millions of years(in those subsiding basins,you may recall) such that the column is represented with no gaps for that area. Someone else posted this a while back http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/ with a sample here:"First, as I have noted before, the concept quite prevalent among some Christians that the geologic column does not exist is quite wrong. Morris and Parker (1987, p. 163) write:
Now, the geologic column is an idea, not an actual series of rock layers. Nowhere do we find the complete sequence.
They are wrong. You just saw the whole column piled up in one place where one oil well can drill through it. Not only that, the entire geologic column is found in 25 other basins around the world, piled up in proper order. These basins are:The Ghadames Basin in Libya
The Beni Mellal Basin in Morrocco
The Tunisian Basin in Tunisia
The Oman Interior Basin in Oman
The Western Desert Basin in Egypt
The Adana Basin in Turkey
The Iskenderun Basin in Turkey
The Moesian Platform in Bulgaria
The Carpathian Basin in Poland
The Baltic Basin in the USSR
The Yeniseiy-Khatanga Basin in the USSR
The Farah Basin in Afghanistan
The Helmand Basin in Afghanistan
The Yazd-Kerman-Tabas Basin in Iran
The Manhai-Subei Basin in China
The Jiuxi Basin China
The Tung t'in - Yuan Shui Basin China
The Tarim Basin China
The Szechwan Basin China
The Yukon-Porcupine Province Alaska
The Williston Basin in North Dakota
The Tampico Embayment Mexico
The Bogata Basin Colombia
The Bonaparte Basin, Australia
The Beaufort Sea Basin/McKenzie River Delta
(Sources:
Robertson Group, 1989;
Quoted in the same article are the admissions of some noted creationists and the limitations of some of their theories.ABB

Succession of Globorotalia over several million years here http://pls.atu.edu/.../people/baker/geol2024/fossils_htm.htmDown to the brass tacks now I hope. Perhaps some of the others will chime in with other examples of why we don't see poodles in the PreCambrian.ABB

A link with the Geo Column with the types of life associated to layers/periods(near the end).
Page Not Found - College of Mines and Earth Sciences - The University of UtahThis may be a reference if you wish to delve into faunal succession in more detail. Note the entry of flowering plants near the end of the age of Reptiles.ABB