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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
It is frequently the case that you claim the news media failed to report news we all learned about from the news media. Let me be the first to report you some news this evening. Migrants break barriers and rush border guards in El Paso Illegal immigrants storm US border in El Paso, knock over guards amid standoff over Texas law | Fox News I got home about 6:00 this evening, turned on Fox News, and saw this footage. Then went to my local news, and then watched the MOST WATCHED PROGRAM IN ALL OF TELEVISION, ABC's World News Tonight. No reports on this surge. I guess David Muir wasn't interested, so millions across the U.S. so far know nothing about it. Do you think anyone else will tell you about it tomorrow? Oh and while I'm asking questions;
Taq writes: marc9000 writes:
Several states have come closer than any time in past U.S. history to having their choice in a presidential primary taken from them. In Colorado, that was Republicans who did that. Did you like that one? I did.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Not according to US law and international treaties.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6
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Logic placed the limit at as many as one could take care of while not sacrificing the needs of their own family.
for as Jesus is known for saying: Fuck you I got mineIt's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Migrants break barriers and rush border guards in El Paso. Looks staged to me. Texas Guard didn't resist. I think this is a Trump staged false flag. Steve Bannon doing his dirty tricks thing.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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marc9000 in Message 736 writes: I got home about 6:00 this evening, turned on Fox News, and saw this footage. Then went to my local news, and then watched the MOST WATCHED PROGRAM IN ALL OF TELEVISION, ABC's World News Tonight. No reports on this surge. I guess David Muir wasn't interested, so millions across the U.S. so far know nothing about it. Just a quick scan of YouTube and Google News shows coverage from CNN, NBC, CNBC, Newsweek, MSN, AP, PBS and many local outlets. AbE: Fourth item from the top at Google News:
--Percy Edited by Percy, : AbE.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Are you stupid, ignorant or a liar?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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marc9000 writes: Did you like that one? I did. It was a group of Republicans who sued to have Trump removed from the Republican primary ballot in Colorado. Are you aware of this?
quote: Rule #1: Don't piss off Grandma.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Didn't the US Supreme Court overturn that or did they simply have no opinion?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Didn't the US Supreme Court overturn that or did they simply have no opinion? Yes they did, but the point is, that lawsuit was brought by Republicans.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Phat in Message 743 writes: Didn't the US Supreme Court overturn that or did they simply have no opinion?
--Percy
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K.Rose Member Posts: 140 From: Michigan Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
Is your concern about the total number of migrants who illegally cross the border?
The migrant problem in New York and Chicago was caused by border states shipping migrants there,
The number of migrants arriving at our southern border has grown tenfold,
Don't you think those turned away will continue trying to enter illegally until they succeed?
We already have this [immigration process]. It's desperately in need of reform, but it does exist already.
The number you're citing, let's call it [3.8-5] million since 2021, is the total number who entered illegally, most of whom were apprehended.
Incorrect on the 3.8-5 million. The 3.8-5 million is the number that have either been released into the USA’s interior or have successfully evaded the Border Patrol. This is why the border states were are overwhelmed, and this is why they sent the migrants to sanctuary cities where they would be welcomed (sanctuary, after all). But this exposed the abject hypocrisy of the sanctimonious sanctuary cities, who are now crying foul. Not sure what your overall point is regarding the current border situation as it relates to the 2024 election. Also, it seems that you understand that there’s a border/migrant problem, but the existence of an idea of a potential solution renders that problem solved, and is therefore nothing that people should be worked up about. Either way the country is understanding, more and more every day, that there is a big problem and it’s going to be a big factor in the election, and charts and number games aren’t going to win the day. People want to know who’s going to do what.
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K.Rose Member Posts: 140 From: Michigan Joined: Member Rating: 1.4
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Where do you see a "from each according to his abilities" in social programs?
Wherewithal is forcibly taken from the wealthy (who have the ability to amass wherewithal) in the form of taxes, and that wherewithal is distributed to those in need. And that is not a knock on social programs, most social programs are moral, proper, and productive (even in the most libertarian-capitalist sense of the word).
But the social safety net *is* intended to provide assistance to people in need. It has nothing to do with socialism or communism or state ownership of the economy.
The social safety net is based on communist principles. And that is not a knock on social programs, most social programs are moral, proper, and productive (even in the most libertarian-capitalist sense of the word).
When charities and churches help people it isn't socialism,
Of course not, because the wherewithal distributed by the church has been provided willfully and charitably to the church. This is morals-based capitalism in action.
...and when governments help people it isn't socialism, either.
It most certainly is! Quite obviously, the wherewithal that the government is distributing to those in “need” has been forcibly confiscated from those the government defines as having the “ability” to provide. And this is not a knock on social programs, most social programs are moral, proper, and productive (even in the most libertarian-capitalist sense of the word).
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K.Rose Member Posts: 140 From: Michigan Joined: Member Rating: 1.4
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You're endorsing policies that disadvantage minority communities. That's racism.
You seem to think everyone is like you. Those living on the margins of society have a right to vote, too.
But regardless of the interest level in voting, no one should have their right to vote infringed upon.
How would you characterize laws that make it more difficult for minorities to vote?
Those living on the margins of society are predominately the victims of racism.
The big problem with today’s American discourse is that arguments are made, vehemently, in terms of abstractions, generalities, euphemisms, and straw-man arguments. And when these tactics fail the antagonist employing them, he falls back on simple name-calling, of which “racist” is perhaps the most reliable. Your comments above exemplify this. “Disadvantage”, “margins of society”, “infringed upon”, “more difficult”., are all non-specific abstractions delivered in general terms. “Those living on the margins of society have a right to vote, too” and “no one should have their right to vote infringed upon” are sanctimonious straw-man arguments. And you evade – very deftly! – going into any specific explanation of why requiring ID to vote is racist, because providing such an explanation risks demonstrating actual racism, and so the accusation “racist!” is employed to pre-empt that risk.
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K.Rose Member Posts: 140 From: Michigan Joined: Member Rating: 1.4
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Some politicians are riling people up about this non-existent problem. The data we have says that our elections have high integrity.
The voter fraud problem is not real, and it is not perceived but rather hyped by a certain faction of Republican politicians.
Telling people the truth about the quality of our elections would go a long way.
You outline a number of fraud cases in #658, and you can add to that a Heritage Foundation sampling of voter fraud that found 1500 proven instances of voter fraud with 1276 convictions. Further digging will find more instances from more sources. So there exists a significant number of real voter fraud incidents, but the perception that there is voter fraud is perhaps even more significant. To repeat myself, people from all parties and all backgrounds have been screaming about voter fraud and election integrity for years, and the hysteria will flow into 2024. Whether or not the hysteria is warranted is irrelevant to the fact that we have a voter fraud issue, and to deny that our country has a voter fraud issue is, well, fraudulent. And once again, charts and number games aren’t going to win the day. People will doubt the integrity of the system until we reach concurrence on system integrity controls.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
Just a quick scan of YouTube and Google News shows coverage from CNN, NBC, CNBC, Newsweek, MSN, AP, PBS and many local outlets. Aaaand your post time stamp was 7:09 this morning. Last evening, my post time was 9:50. At that time, my not-so-quick google search using the words "March 21st surge at the southern border" resulted in the ONLY two 2024 links for that search that I showed, Fox News and the NY Post. The reason is simple, Fox and the NY Post can and do immediately report breaking news, without consideration of the politics involved. All the alphabet soup liberal news outlets have to pause, and spend some time coordinating among themselves, when news looks dangerous for the Democrat party in any way. First glance at this one indicated trouble. So they had to ask themselves; "how badly will it hurt our ratings if we cover it up, and some of our viewers go to Fox and get some actual news? If we can't cover it up completely, can it be skimmed and twisted and softened sufficiently? Most importantly, what are our instructions from the DNC?" In the several hours between 10pm last night and 7am this morning, they had it all figured out, as your remark indicates. I watched ABC World News Tonight this evening, they covered it for about 2 minutes, almost 15 minutes into the half hour show. So much for that. There will be nothing more tomorrow, time to forget it now. In their 2 minute report, they were sure to remind us that there have been more recent deportings than past years, all the way back to 2012! (without reporting current illegal numbers now when compared to 2012.) It was different in the autumn of 2020. The NY Post drops the Hunter Biden laptop story, and the usual questions began; "could this cost Biden the election if we report it? And what are our orders from our bosses at the DNC?" Their orders came quickly, "COVER IT UP!!" They did, and then after Biden was elected, "oh shucky darns, the Hunter Biden laptop story wasn't a Russian conspiracy after all! Meanwhile, here's some more JANUARY 6th! footage!" But back to this thread's exact topic, here's a fun little projection from a Trump hater, if the NY Attorney General steals any of his property;
quote: quote: https://twitter.com/...oaTheGreat/status/1771218797921464804
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