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Message 68 of 1148 (911672)
07-22-2023 9:59 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Percy
07-14-2023 2:56 PM


Re: The Ten Worst States for Quality of Life
CNBC today ran an article about The Ten Worst States for Quality of Life. It rated all the states according to how good they were to live and work in, which included factors like crime, environmental quality, health care, childcare, discrimination, voting rights and reproductive rights. Here they are in ascending order from worst to least worst, and I include CNBC's point score. I also include who they voted for in 2020. I don't expect there are any surprises:

State Points 2020 Vote
Texas 53 Trump
Oklahoma 75 Trump
Louisiana 76 Trump
South Carolina 86 Trump
Alabama 86 Trump
Missouri 98 Trump
Indiana 113 Trump
Tennessee 115 Trump
Arkansas 118 Trump
Florida 129 Trump
And yet four of those states, for the first time according to Bloomberg, have surpassed the entire northeast - DC to NY / Boston corridor in GDP output. It became true in 2021, and keeps expanding.
New data show six Southern states now contribute more to GDP than the entire Northeast | Washington Examiner
It's also true that all 10 of those states are among the most affected by illegal immigration.
If someone had asked me to guess which state was worst I would have said Louisiana.
And if someone would have asked me I'd have said CALIFORNIA, since it's losing population on the same level as Illinois and New York. Residents are fleeing those states and MOVING TO the states on CNBC's list. It's probably true that "environmental quality, healthcare, childcare", liberal proclamations on "discrimination" special voting rights for the non-productive, and of course abortion might be better in California, NY and Illinois. But their sky high taxes, cost of living, and crime and drug and homeless problems in their Democrat run cities make "worst states to live in" subject to different opinions.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/...st-states-to-live-in-1379317
It's true that Texas and Florida have their challenges however - in addition to illegal immigration, many Californians are fleeing to Texas, expecting to get the same free stuff they get in California, only at a much cheaper price. Same with New Yorkers moving to Florida.
The different opinions of CNBC's list will be neatly divided along political lines of course. The question is, how will swing voters feel about that? ABC World News Tonight hasn't trumpeted that list. Maybe they're a little nervous about how swing voters might feel.
Will this article backfire on the liberal news media?

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marc9000
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Message 69 of 1148 (911674)
07-22-2023 10:04 PM
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07-22-2023 6:11 PM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
A good example of that is the divide that is growing between urban and rural populations. Look at that Aldean song that is casing such a furore. The song is taking a somewhat exaggerated look at rural values, while at the same time depicting an extreme view of urbanites. It actually is fairly accurate as far as depicting the divide that exists between the two cultures.
Hello GDR, the biggest cause of all the controversy about that song is the way its video shows footage of inner-city rioting in Democrat run cites over the past several years, BLM riots etc. Most people haven't seen much, if any of that, because the mainstream media has always covered it up. They don't want any attention drawn to that now.

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marc9000
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Message 71 of 1148 (911676)
07-22-2023 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by xongsmith
07-22-2023 10:07 PM


Re: The Ten Worst States for Quality of Life
it does explain Georgia becoming Bluer every day.
It's a red state. The Atlanta politics and ghettos demolish the vote of the rest of the state.

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marc9000
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Message 78 of 1148 (911686)
07-23-2023 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by AZPaul3
07-22-2023 10:42 PM


Re: The Ten Worst States for Quality of Life
No, it's a blue state, bunkie boy. Total vote in the state is the only measure. The voice of the people, marc.
That's a pure democracy yes, mob rule, but that's not what the U.S. is. It's a democratic republic. The Electoral College saves us from mob rule in presidential elections, but the states do have a problem with one or two big cities squashing the voice of productive people. Illinois has the same problem with Obama's home town.
The only thing about democracy the Democrats are afraid of is if they can't get enough Alvin Braggs and Jack Smiths to 'legally' keep Trump off the ballot next fall. The thought of allowing voters the chance to vote on him under the rules of the Electoral College makes them selective on how much they like "democracy".

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marc9000
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Message 79 of 1148 (911687)
07-23-2023 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Percy
07-23-2023 8:10 AM


Re: The Ten Worst States for Quality of Life
The GDP of DC is more than twice that of the state in second place, New York?? What product / service does DC produce, besides politics? I have a hard time trusting Wikipedia all the time. Any other sources for this?
Will your obsession with this newscast ever end?
No it won't. It claims to be the most watched program in all of television, and is representative of other networks (NBC, CBS) They have too much influence in U.S. politics. Biden owes his presidency to them more than anything else.
So, to address my question;
quote:
The different opinions of CNBC's list will be neatly divided along political lines of course. The question is, how will swing voters feel about that?
CNBC is headquartered in New Jersey. It's obvious to some that they picked out 10 mostly southern states (whose residents they look down their northeastern noses at) that were carried by Trump, and came up with their formula to designate them as "worst states for quality of life", their idea of quality being 'the most free stuff - the biggest government, rather than the lowest taxes, lowest cost of living, and the most freedom, and most importantly, the biggest population increases from places like California, Illinois, and New York.
If you think it's a good idea for northeasterners to keep on doing things like that, we can probably agree that it is. I think it will move swing voters towards Republicans.

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marc9000
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Message 80 of 1148 (911688)
07-23-2023 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Percy
07-23-2023 8:31 AM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
Those "peaceful" protesters GOT PEACEFUL when they saw those guns. That couple would have been in trouble if they hadn't shown they meant business.
There were a lot of peaceful protesters at the capitol on January 6th as well. Video of them is never shown now, just the few violent parts. No video of the unarmed, white veteran woman being murdered by a black policeman either.

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marc9000
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Message 85 of 1148 (911694)
07-23-2023 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by xongsmith
07-23-2023 5:09 PM


Re: The Ten Worst States for Quality of Life
You don't think enough "productive" people live in the city?

Just farmers, et al, are the productive ones?

That is such a horrible viewpoint.
Productivity and morality go hand in hand. Here is what president John Adams said;
quote:
John Adams said, “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”[1] Morality and virtue are the foundation of our republic and necessary for a society to be free. Virtue is an inner commitment and voluntary outward obedience to principles of truth and moral law. Private virtue is the character to govern oneself according to moral law at all times. Public virtue is the character to voluntarily sacrifice or subjugate personal wants for the greater good of other individuals or the community. Specific moral virtues include charity, justice, courage, temperance, reverence, prudence, and honesty. These virtues are the moral fiber and moving force to act in accordance with wisdom. Our scholars embrace these virtues and seek to incorporate them in the John Adams Academy community through which these virtues are cultivated and practiced.
https://www.johnadamsacademy.org/apps/pages/index.jsp?uRE...
"Productivity" is about more than just having a job. There are many jobs that aren't productive, though there would of course be differences of opinion on just what jobs are or aren't productive. I don't consider most ambulance chasing lawyers to be productive. All employees of strip clubs, nope. Abortion "doctors", nope. Con game insurance companies (extended car warranties, some life insurances). Most of these types of companies tend to cluster around the big cities, along with all the drug addicted homeless. All of the above tend to exist in big cities far more than rural areas and small cities like Georgia has. And all of the above tend to vote for democrats, which has increasingly become the party of immorality. If big, crumbling cities continue to crumble, losing population, all the while continuing to elect Democrats to run them, then no, I don't believe they have enough productive people.
When Adams said "Public virtue is the character to voluntarily sacrifice or subjugate personal wants for the greater good of other individuals or the community." I don't believe he was advocating for bigger government. I believe he was referring to working for a purpose other than putting in time, getting by with as little work as possible and scampering home with a paycheck. He was advocating for pride in ones work, in honest earning, genuinely striving to serve others to the best of ones ability. Not completely absent, but noticeably lacking in big cities more than small towns and rural America.
And I know it might sound rich that a Trump supporter would advocate "morality". Trump's personal life may not have been the most moral in the world, but his governing was. I don't care much about a president's personal, past life. I want him to govern in a moral, traditional way.

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marc9000
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Message 95 of 1148 (911712)
07-25-2023 8:19 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by DrJones*
07-23-2023 9:13 PM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
she fucked around and she found out. Of course a shit eating pig fucker like you would side with the domestic terrorist.
Are you an abortion doctor? Or just a middle school student with a made-up name?

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marc9000
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Message 96 of 1148 (911713)
07-25-2023 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by AZPaul3
07-23-2023 10:20 PM


Re: The Ten Worst States for Quality of Life
What moral governing did Trump display?
The things that presidents are supposed to do, freeing up the economy, promoting energy exploration, controlling the southern border, being assertive with foreign powers etc. Promoting the founders ideologies. You and your helpers can emotionally sputter with rage at that if you want, I won't respond.

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marc9000
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Message 98 of 1148 (911715)
07-25-2023 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by dwise1
07-23-2023 10:55 PM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
That cop did his duty!
Yes, I remember all the dances. And I remember what another cop did to George Floyd. One cop walks, the other will spend most of his life in jail. One victim was a military veteran, one was a lifelong scumbag. What I'm doing is calling attention to the double standards.

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marc9000
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Message 99 of 1148 (911716)
07-25-2023 8:44 AM
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07-24-2023 8:16 AM


Re: The Ten Worst States for Quality of Life
The Electoral College is not what makes the United States a democratic republic. Even if there were no Electoral College the U.S. would still be a democratic republic.
Yes, that's the Democrat dance to help them try to justify getting rid of it. The U.S. would still be a democratic republic, but a much weaker one. Without it, a handful of big cities like NYC, Chicago, LA, and only a few others would then decide the presidency, with the rest of the country having no voice in it.
You are operating from a false premise. There is nothing that can keep Trump off the ballot, not in the primaries nor in the November election should he win the primaries. There is nothing in the constitution or the law that prevents those who are being sued, have lost lawsuits, are under criminal indictment, are convicted felons, or are serving time in prison, from running for election.
Sorry, it's a true premise.
quote:
In the wake of the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, some House Democrats introduced a bill seeking to bar Trump from holding office again by invoking the 14th Amendment, which bars anyone who has "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" or "given aid or comfort" to enemies of the U.S. after having taken an oath to support the Constitution. That bill never made it out of the House before Republicans took control in January.
Can Trump still become president if he's convicted of a crime or found liable in a civil case? - CBS News
Even though that bill never made it, the Democrats aren't going to stop trying to accomplish that. As an analyst on Fox News said it, "he wouldn't be able to get a job as dog-catcher" if the Democrats are able to pull that off.

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marc9000
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Message 100 of 1148 (911717)
07-25-2023 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Percy
07-24-2023 9:16 AM


Re: The Ten Worst States for Quality of Life
The reason Washington D.C.'s per capita GDP is so high is obvious if you think about it. Washington D.C. is all city. It's per capita GDP of $242,853 isn't unusual for cities. San Francisco's is $410,418.
Oh MY BAD! I thought GDP (gross domestic product) had something to do with PRODUCTS! I guess it's just about money games, mainly how tax money and borrowed money move around.
They can claim that all they want, but the top rated news program in the country is still Fox News, just as I already told you. Possibly World News Tonight is top ranked among broadcast news programs, but more people watch Fox News.
Again, a significant percentage of U.S. citizens don't have premium television. The traditional network evening news programs, right beside their local news, have a much bigger political influence than does conservative news. It could eventually change however, as more and more people are obviously seeing the increasing liberal bias and lies of the traditional networks.
Maybe random off-the-top-of-your-head speculation just generally isn't a good idea for you.
Maybe posting that laughable list wasn't a good idea for you, considering how most, or all of those states are GAINING population.
Again, Cohn is not a north easterner, and the only one expressing personal dislikes of people from certain regions is you.
Oh, and when you posted that list you had no haughty references to "southerners"? (I love this place)

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marc9000
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Message 101 of 1148 (911718)
07-25-2023 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Percy
07-24-2023 9:44 AM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
Well now you're just making stuff up. The protest was peaceful along the entire length of the march to the St. Louis mayor's home. There was no evidence of anyone with guns except the McClockeys, who eventually pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges.
Somebody's making stuff up, but it's not me.
quote:
McCloskey later told media that the protesters "smashed through the historic wrought iron gates of Portland Place, destroying them, rushed towards my home...put us in fear for our lives", and also that "the gate came down and a large crowd of angry, aggressive people poured through. I was terrified that we'd be murdered within seconds".[13] While the gate was damaged at some point in time, it was unclear who had damaged it.[13][14]
St. Louis gun-toting incident - Wikipedia.
Pictures of the smashed gate are on the internet, pictures of the "no trespassing" signs are on the internet. Guns are not needed to tear things up, to verbally threaten, to kill, to burn, to destroy.
As of now about 500 people have pleaded guilty or been found guilty for their actions on January 6th. Over 200 have been sentenced to prison time. There were far more than a "few violent parts." Roughly 114 police officers reported injuries as a result of the January 6th attacks. You're defending the violent January 6th insurrectionists while criticizing the peaceful BLM march in St. Louis. Biased much?
Yes, the FBI, DOJ, Secret Service are doing a masterful job of rooting out the guilty ones on January 6th. Who dropped the bag of cocaine in the White House? Duh, we can't figure it out, case closed.
This video is age restricted and can't be embedded in messages, but here's the link:
THAT must be why the mainstream news never shows it!
The mob smashing out the panes of glass in the doors between them and the congressmen is quite violent.
Yes, we've seen it hundreds of times. The smashing of the McClosky's gate and vulgar death threats against them was quite violent also. Not as much video footage of that I guess.


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marc9000
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Message 105 of 1148 (911722)
07-25-2023 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Percy
07-24-2023 11:01 AM


Re: The Ten Worst States for Quality of Life
marc9000 writes:
Productivity and morality go hand in hand.

Is that why southerns kept slaves, because it was so productive and moral?
Slavery was the norm when John Adams wrote those words. Was he wrong? Was what he said related in any way to slavery? It wasn't, but I'm curious what you and your helpers would say about that. I could briefly educate you on the history of slavery.
And maybe he's got a point. Maybe life under slavery wasn't so bad when you consider what came later with segregation and Jim Crow laws and lynchings and burnings and all.
Or what would have came earlier if they'd have stayed in Africa and starved to death, or been enslaved by other blacks.
What a collection of error and heartless, insensitive blather. There are more jobs of all types in cities because there are more people in cities. Cities do not have monopolies on ambulance chasers or strip clubs, and why you're against either is hard to understand unless they're committing a crime. Given the standards you seem to be applying, why not include used car salesmen?
I'm referring to productivity Have you heard of the recent case involving one Donna Hansbourough?
Woman gets job back at Lowe’s after being attacked while trying to stop shoplifting
Probably not, between the time she was fired and the time she got her job back, ABC World News Tonight was far to busy shrieking about January 6th than it was to report Lowe's policy of firing a worker who tries to stop shoplifters. It seems that it's to risky for Lowes to take the chance of being sued out of existence by non-productive lawyers, whose delight is destroying product producing companies, while producing no useful product themselves.

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Message 115 of 1148 (911825)
07-26-2023 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by AZPaul3
07-25-2023 12:59 PM


Re: The Ten Worst States for Quality of Life
Good. When you can't say anything real and intelligent you probably should not be commenting at all.
Thank you Mr. Mussolini!

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