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Author Topic:   2024 US Presidential Election
GDR
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Message 39 of 1147 (911624)
07-20-2023 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Percy
07-20-2023 7:43 AM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
Percy writes:
Trump has a lot going on legally, but the threat runs in both directions. He alleges that all his legal problems are politically motivated and threatens America's trust in its system of justice. It will be hard to avoid eroding that trust because even if prosecutors raise the bar from "beyond a reasonable doubt" to "beyond any doubt", Trump supporters will still believe the charges were, uh, trumped up.
God pun. I think that you can substitute Biden's name in your post for Trump and it would still hold true. It seems to me if those are the two candidates in 2024 you will have again two self interested narcissists who want to be President because they want to be President.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 43 of 1147 (911631)
07-20-2023 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Theodoric
07-20-2023 1:40 PM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
Theodoric writes:
Are you throwing out bothsiderism?
Nope, just saying that there is no good choice and so you get to choose, (if they are both still running), which is the best of two bad choices.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 45 of 1147 (911633)
07-20-2023 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by PaulK
07-20-2023 5:00 PM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
PaulK writes:
Biden is certainly nowhere near as bad as Trump. There’s simply no doubt about it. And that is not saying that Biden is all that great either. I don’t even see any reason to think that Biden as any more of a narcissist than you are.
And that is your opinion. Others differ and you will all have to make up your own minds. As for me, I'm not running to be President of anything,and so whether I'm a narcissist or not doesn't much matter.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 52 of 1147 (911643)
07-21-2023 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Percy
07-21-2023 7:42 AM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
I'm going to just reply in a general way. I am so fed up with the politics in both of our countries that is is hard to know who to put any trust in. I look at Trump and I see a man who is a misogynist without any sense of decorum. I look at Biden who is past his best before date and is mixed up in some questionable dealings with his son.
I get my news from the internet except for the small local paper. If I look at Fox then Biden is the devil incarnate and if I look at CNN they say the same thing about Trump. I'm not an American so I don't have the same degree of interest that you guys do. I do see in both our countries though a vey divided population with virtually nobody much in the centre any more.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Joined: 05-22-2005


Message 57 of 1147 (911648)
07-21-2023 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Percy
07-21-2023 1:24 PM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
The New York Post had this headline in this story. Biden’s economic lies show he’s either a deluded narcissist or a total fraud
Sure that is a right leaning paper but are the facts correct?
Percy writes:
But what Fox is saying about Biden is all innuendo because there are literally no facts out there yet. Maybe someday there will be, the Republicans certainly hope so, but so far they have to rely on innuendo and hope that listeners believe it's actually true.

And what CNN is saying about Trump is all true. It's not necessary to make up anything or cast aspersions and innuendo that have no support. Trump *has* been indicted for mishandling classified documents. Trump *has* been indicted for illegal business practices. Trump *is* under investigation for causing an insurrection and interfering with Congress in their execution of their duty to count the votes of the electoral college. Trump *is* under investigation in Georgia for interfering with their election. Trump *is* under investigation in New York State for manipulating property valuations for his own benefit. Republicans in Michigan *have* been indicted for creating a false slate of electors to confound the counting of electoral college votes. Arizona may follow suit. There is so much bad that is true about Trump that there is no need to make anything up, indeed not even any time to do so given that there is so much that is real already going on.
There's the issue. You contend that the Fox reports are all innuendo and reject them. Other folks see that the CNN report is fake news and reject its reports.
I have no doubt that you are far more informed on the issues than I am but it ain't easy to sort out fake news from the truth. As I said earlier, both our countries are unbelievably divided. Politics is simply a power game to see who can win, and carries a very thin veneer of the importance of policy that really is for the good on the nation.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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From: Sidney, BC, Canada
Joined: 05-22-2005


Message 65 of 1147 (911667)
07-22-2023 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Percy
07-22-2023 7:25 AM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
Percy writes:
You know the rules. If you have a point to make then introduce the evidence and arguments into the thread and offer links only as supporting references. So tell us what the lies were and describe the evidence showing they were lies. My suspicion is that you're linking not to a news article but to an opinion column or editorial.
Look at the reports on the same story on Fox and CNN. You have to look twice to tell that they are both talking about the same event.
Yes, and I agree not to the length that Trump is, but I stand by my statement that Biden is a narcissist. It is obvious in his speech, and in his inability to answer questions. Frankly, he iis not aging well. He is not the man he was earlier. It is clearly time for h that he is not the man he was. and should step aside and allow someone more competent to run in 2024. (I think it will be forced on him anyway.)
However he isn't stepping aside because he likes being president which demonstrates to me that he is more focused on himself that he is on the country or even the party for that manner, which seems like a reasonable definition of someone who is a narcissist.
Now you can hold a different POV which is fine however I have to question if you are supporting the man our the Democratic party's policies.
Percy writes:
Is that what you think about the CNN articles, that they're fake news and you reject them? Are you really unaware that Trump was indicted for mishandling classified documents? It was all over the news from every outlet, both conservative and liberal. Where have you been?
We both know that Republican supporters consider CNN to post views slanted to support the democrats and Democrats feel the same way about Fox.
The real tragedy of all this is the gulf that is growing between the political camps. People are despised and negatively labelled for their political beliefs. There is very little civil discourse.
A good example of that is the divide that is growing between urban and rural populations. Look at that Aldean song that is casing such a furore. The song is taking a somewhat exaggerated look at rural values, while at the same time depicting an extreme view of urbanites. It actually is fairly accurate as far as depicting the divide that exists between the two cultures.
The same is true, although probably a littles less extreme in Canada.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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