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candle2
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Message 61 of 98 (898273)
09-21-2022 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by ringo
09-21-2022 3:24 PM


Re: What sort of Ist are you?
Ringo, I never said that the six days of creation were a
period of 1000 years each. The days of creations were
each 24 hours in length.
And, I have no idea who Bishop Ussher is.

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Phat
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Message 62 of 98 (898274)
09-21-2022 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by candle2
09-21-2022 5:37 PM


Re: What sort of Ist are you?
24 hours?? What day was the Sun turned on?
Also, FYI: Bishop Usher was an Anglican Irish Bishop famous for assuming the age of the earth based on the chronology mentioned in the Bible. Its kinda where the whole strange idea of 6000 years came from.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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dwise1
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Message 63 of 98 (898278)
09-21-2022 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by candle2
09-21-2022 5:37 PM


Re: What sort of Ist are you?
And, I have no idea who Bishop Ussher is.
Jessica H. Christ! Do you truly know nothing? Not even of your own position?
Bishop James Ussher:
quote:
James Ussher (or Usher; 4 January 1581 – 21 March 1656) was the Church of Ireland Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of All Ireland between 1625 and 1656. He was a prolific scholar and church leader, who today is most famous for his identification of the genuine letters of the church father, Ignatius of Antioch, and for his chronology that sought to establish the time and date of the creation as "the entrance of the night preceding the 23rd day of October... the year before Christ 4004"; that is, around 6 pm on 22 October 4004 BC, per the proleptic Julian calendar.
So as Phat told you in his Message 62 reply, Bishop Ussher is the source of YEC BS claims of the earth only being about 6,000 years old (they only say "no older than 10,000 years old" because everybody (except for you) knows that 4004 BCE date for the Creation, so saying "6000 years" would immediately expose their deceptive game of "Hide the Bible" (remember that the entire idea of "creation science" was to hide the fact that science has nothing to do with creationism but rather it is entirely religious and hence doesn't belong in public schools). Why can you never keep up?
Have you never spent a rainy afternoon by going through all the begats in Genesis to figure out Biblical chronology? Of course, we hit a wall (not unlike The Wall of slavery hit by black genealogists trying to do their family histories) in that Genesis only gets us to the Flood.
However, in 1996 a local YEC reprinted an article which also works through the various kings to find an external historic event to use as a tie-point -- well, being a typical creationist, he claimed it as his how, but I'm sure that he had plagiarized it. I reprinted his article by copying it as faithfully as I could: ARE THERE GAPS IN THE GENEALOGIES IN DETERMINING WHEN ADAM LIVED?:
quote:
Bill Morgan in 1996:
Since I feel the Bible clearly teaches Adam was created during 6 literal days of the creation of the Universe, this places the age of the Universe at about 6181 years. That is another study which I will gladly mail to you.
My Commentary in 2017:
By the way, Bill figures the earth to be 424 years older than the Jewish Calendar does, 1996 November 01 having been the 19th of Cheshvan (the third month) of 5757. The present counting method for years use the Anno Mundi epoch (Latin for "in the year of the world"), abbreviated AM or A.M. and also referred to as the Hebrew era. Hebrew year 5771 (a leap year) began on 9 September 2010 and ended on 28 September 2011. Hebrew year 5772 began at sunset on 28 September 2011 and ended on 16 September 2012. I'll leave to you the task of figuring what the Hebrew year is currently.

You're welcome.

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ringo
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Message 64 of 98 (898291)
09-21-2022 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by candle2
09-21-2022 5:37 PM


Re: What sort of Ist are you?
candle2 writes:
Ringo, I never said that the six days of creation were a
period of 1000 years each. The days of creations were
each 24 hours in length.
You brought up the one-day-is-as-a-thousand-days thing. What did you mean by it then?
candle2 writes:
And, I have no idea who Bishop Ussher is.
Do you have any idea what Google is?

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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candle2
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Message 65 of 98 (898448)
09-24-2022 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Phat
09-21-2022 5:48 PM


Re: What sort of Ist are you?
Phat, the earth; sun; moon; and, the entirety of the
universe was already in existence before the creation
week in Genesis.
Gen 1:2 states that the earth was without form and
void.
Form is from the Hebrew word "tohuw", #8414 in
Strong's Concordance.
Tohuw means to lie waste. Look up the Word waste in
the dictionary. By no stretch of the imagination can
waste/tohuw be indicative of something just created.
The same goes for void-bohuw, # 922 Strong's. Bohuw
means "an undistinguishable ruin."
Nothing is created as an undistinguishable ruin. This
requires a destructive process, not a creative one.
Psalms 104:30 "Thou sendest forth thy Spirit,... and
thou renewest the face of the earth.
Just as in Gen 1:2, here the Spirit of God is renewing
the earth, which had become tohuw and bohuw.
Isaiah 45:18 "...God Himself that formed the earth and
made it; He created it not in vain (tohuw # 8414).
Job 38:4-7 states that the angels of God shouted for
joy when the earth was originally created.
There is more to support that Genesis is describing a
renewal and not an original creation, but no more
should be needed.
Even though this was a renewal, it in no way can be
used to support that any kind of physical life existed
before before Genesis 1:2.
Romans 5:12 states that death exists only because of
the sins of Adam. Animals cannot sin.
I want to finish replying to your question concerning
the sun, but I will have to post this in a short while. I
Need to look away from the screen for a short spell.

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candle2
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Message 66 of 98 (898459)
09-24-2022 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Phat
09-21-2022 5:48 PM


Re: What sort of Ist are you?
The reason that Satan is the present God of this world
is because God had appointed him this position before
humans were ever created.
God is a Creator. And, Lucifer and perhaps a third of God's
angels were placed on earth to put the finishing touches
to it.
After being placed on earth Lucifer/Satan, because of his
pride and great beauty, rebelled.
Isaiah 14:14 "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will be like the most High."
Satan was on the earth. He wanted to ascend above the
clouds, and be like God.
Jesus says in Luke 10:18 "I beheld Satan as lightning fall
from heaven."
He was threw back down to earth, where God had placed
him.
Adam could have replaced Satan, but he too disobeyed
God. God knew that Adam would do what he did, but
that's not important here.
There is also a reason why humans must experience a
world ruled by Satan. Not important here.
In any event, the universal war that was fought between
Satan and his angels and those under the archangel
Michael was highly destructive to the present solar
system.
God renewed the damage caused to the earth, but look
at the other planets and moons in our solar system. They
still bear the scars of the titanic battle.
On day 1 of creation God removed the heavy debris from
earth's atmosphere, which permitted light (from the sun,
which was already in existence) to reach the surface.
However because of heavy cloud cover (much like that
on Venus today) the light would be translucent.
On day 4 God cleared up the atmosphere completely,
which allowed observance of the sun, stars, and moon
to be observable from earth.
This made it possible to observe months seasons, years,
etc....

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candle2
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Message 67 of 98 (898465)
09-24-2022 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Phat
09-21-2022 5:48 PM


Re: What sort of Ist are you?
Phat, the days of creation could not be periods of
years.
It is true that yom can refer to a period of time other than
a 24 hour period. However, elsewhere in OT when yom
appears with evening or morning it always refers to a 24
hour period.
No open minded person is going to believe God created
grass, herbs, and/or fruit trees on day 3, but didn't make
the sun till 1000 years later on day 4.
And, who else in their right mind is going to believe that
the fruit trees would then have to wait another 1000
years utill hummingbirds and insects responsible for
pollination were created.
Some assert that since the words evening and morning
are not mentioned with the seventh day that the seventh
day is 1000 years long.
However, there was no need to mention evening and
morning since it was not a day of creation, but of rest.
The seventh day, like the rest, is numbered.
God set up a pattern for us to follow.
And, His pattern was not to work six days and rest
for a 1000 years.

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Message 68 of 98 (898468)
09-24-2022 2:57 PM


candle2, trying to use calm logic to explain a ghastly child's fairy tale of bullshit....

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Phat
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Message 69 of 98 (898469)
09-24-2022 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by xongsmith
09-24-2022 2:57 PM


Ghasstly Child?
Who is this ghastly child? And why is this all said in a topic about racism?
Add by edit: I think I am guilty of pulling Percys topic off track. Candle2 just took the opportunity to blame Democrats. Give me a minute and I will steer us back to racism.

Edited by Phat, : added observation based on reviewing past posts


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 70 of 98 (898470)
09-24-2022 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Percy
07-09-2022 5:29 PM


Re: What sort of Ist are you?
Tangle, message 32 writes:
What are you hoping for here Phat?
Phat, message 33 writes:
Nothing much really. I have no ax to grind with racism. We all unconsciously or consciously have it to varying degrees. My point is that Dredge is more of an anti-liberal than he is ageist or racist. That's about it. My only beef with Pelosi is that she struggled with alcohol.
I think what I really meant to say was that Dems give her a free pass for often being drunk on the job. They disproportionately attack Republicans (Governors) as well as old Trump, who needs to be kept in check even more than Pelosi.
Percy, message 35 writes:
But for the sake of discussion let's say she is an alcoholic, which is a disease. You have a beef with Pelosi because she struggled with a disease? Should people have a beef with you because you've struggled with diabetes?

Shame on you for your gullibility, your ignorance, your irrationality, and your prejudice. A conscious effort might result in improvements, but you not only make none but grow progressively worse.
Hey Percy I'm working on my rationality. My A1C has dropped to 10 after a month and a half and the Endocrinologist projects it at 7.5 in another month and a half.
I apologize for any irrationality I may have. My question to all of you is this: Do you see Republicans by and large as more racist than normal?
And Candle 2, please take the Bible discussion elsewhere.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 71 of 98 (898471)
09-24-2022 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Phat
09-24-2022 4:00 PM


Re: What sort of Ist are you?
I think what I really meant to say was that Dems give her a free pass for often being drunk on the job.
But you have no evidence of her being drunk on the job even once. Amazing how you will believe any bullshit that you think should be true

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 72 of 98 (898475)
09-24-2022 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Phat
09-24-2022 4:00 PM


Re: What sort of Ist are you?
I think what I really meant to say was that Dems give her a free pass for often being drunk on the job.
Is THIS what you are talking about? Maybe you should be more concerned about the Republicans who create fake videos.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 73 of 98 (898481)
09-25-2022 1:04 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by nwr
09-24-2022 5:47 PM


Re: What sort of Ist are you?
nwr writes:
Is THIS what you are talking about? Maybe you should be more concerned about the Republicans who create fake videos.
Bob Dylan said it in 1993, almost 30 tears ago in his liner notes to World Gone Wrong's song, LONE PILGRIM with
"...what's essentially true is virtual reality. technology to wipe out the truth is now available.
not everybody can afford it but it's available. when the cost comes down look out!..."

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 74 of 98 (898484)
09-25-2022 6:15 AM


Xenophobia
Xenophobia its called now. You know. Just cos it sounds cool and all. LoL

  
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Message 75 of 98 (898485)
09-25-2022 8:22 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Phat
09-21-2022 5:48 PM


Re: What sort of Ist are you?
Phat writes:
...an Anglican Irish Bishop famous for assuming the age of the earth based on the chronology...
                                      ^calculating, with some assumptions
--Percy

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