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Topic: Are You Racist?
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Percy
Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 76 of 116 (898486)
09-25-2022 9:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 70 by Phat
09-24-2022 4:00 PM
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Re: What sort of Ist are you?
Phat writes: I apologize for any irrationality I may have. My question to all of you is this: Do you see Republicans by and large as more racist than normal? Seriously? Is your head buried in the sand? How would you make a case that they're not. Doug Mastriano, Republican nominee for governor in Pennsylvania, donated to Gab, an antisemitic website used by the murderer of 11 Jewish congregates at a Pittsburgh synagogue, and linked to it from his own websites before deleting them this summer. He's called separation of church and state a "myth", and of course what he actually means is that separation of Christianity and the US government is a myth. Republicans across the country are neutralizing the black vote through gerrymandering. Republicans are hostile toward Black Lives Matter. Republican Russell Walker, running for the statehouse in North Carolina, has a personal website that states "the jews are NOT semitic they are satanic as they all descend from Satan." Arthur Jones, running for Illinois representative, is a member of the American Nazi Party. Corey Stewart, running in Virginia, is pro-Confederacy. Paul Nehlen, running in Wisconsin, has been thrown off both Twitter and even Gab for his white supremacist comments. Georgia eliminated voter drop boxes in certain counties. Predominately black counties. Missouri decided not to deploy the 80 drop boxes it had already purchased. The Trump campaign sued to invalidate drop boxes in Pennsylvania after the 2020 election. Republicans questioned results from drop boxes in Michigan. Republicans are anti-immigrant, many believing in Replacement Theory, that immigrants are coming to replace white Christians as the dominant group in America. Conservatism refers to being conservative about change. Conservatives believe change should be considered very carefully. They think the safest approach is usually just to keep things the way they already are. Independents already realize that sometimes the best approach is to conservatively maintain the status quo, but that sometimes one must be more open, liberal one might even say, in considering solutions. Keeping America as White and Christian as possible is definitely a conservative Republican position. --Percy
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candle2
Member (Idle past 131 days) Posts: 892 Joined: 12-31-2018
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Message 77 of 116 (898492)
09-25-2022 1:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 52 by Phat
09-18-2022 10:12 AM
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Re: What sort of Ist are you?
Phat, what exactly is it that you didn't like about Trump?
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Phat
Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.3
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Message 78 of 116 (898494)
09-25-2022 1:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 77 by candle2
09-25-2022 1:23 PM
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Moving off topic stuff.
Moving the political/religious arguments out of this topic unless they refer specifiacally to Racism. Candle2, please redirect your responses here. Message 773Edited by Phat, .
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.3
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Message 79 of 116 (898495)
09-25-2022 1:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 76 by Percy
09-25-2022 9:10 AM
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Redirecting Political Discussion
it seems to me that unlike my post to candle2 above, your main reason for disliking Trump is that he was a Republican. There are racist Democrats, sexist Democrats, and greedy Democrats. I suppose we can all discuss this more in
Who's the bigger offender: Conservatives or Liberals? Message 773 I lean more conservative than liberal though I like my Social Security and Medicare, which Liberals tend to support more than Conservatives. Edited by Phat, .
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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ringo
Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 80 of 116 (898510)
09-25-2022 2:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 65 by candle2
09-24-2022 8:48 AM
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Re: What sort of Ist are you?
candle2 writes: the earth; sun; moon; and, the entirety of the universe was already in existence before the creation week in Genesis.
That's one way to try to reconcile the errors in Genesis 1.
candle2 writes: Tohuw means to lie waste. Look up the Word waste in the dictionary. By no stretch of the imagination can waste/tohuw be indicative of something just created.
 that's called the old switcheroo - look it up in Strong and then pick one word from strong to look up in the dictionary. No need to do that. Here's the whole citation from Strong:quote:
8414 tohuw to'-hoo from an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), i.e. desert; figuratively, a worthless thing; adverbially, in vain:--confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.
A desert could certainly be something just created.
candle2 writes: The same goes for void-bohuw, # 922 Strong's. Bohuw means "an undistinguishable ruin."
Again, let's look at what Strong actually says:
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922 bohuw bo'-hoo from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin:--emptiness, void.
Vacuity, emptyness.
candle2 writes: Nothing is created as an undistinguishable ruin.
But things are often created empty.
candle2 writes: This requires a destructive process, not a creative one.
Wrong. See above. Have you even read Strong or did you just quote second-hand from some creationist source?
candle2 writes: There is more to support that Genesis is describing a renewal and not an original creation, but no more should be needed.
Neither Psalms nor Isaiah nor Job supports your perversion of Genesis. Of course the earth is constantly being renewed. That has nothing to do with Genesis.
candle2 writes: Romans 5:12 states that death exists only because of the sins of Adam.
Romans is wrong. If there was no death before Adam and Eve, how could God threaten them with death?
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
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Phat
Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.3
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Message 81 of 116 (898515)
09-25-2022 3:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 80 by ringo
09-25-2022 2:57 PM
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Moving Topic From Racism Thread.
This rabbit trail would be better placed here.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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ringo
Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 82 of 116 (898517)
09-25-2022 3:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 81 by Phat
09-25-2022 3:18 PM
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Re: Moving Topic From Racism Thread.
Phat writes: This rabbit trail would be better placed here.
Mebbe so, but I gotta hunt where the game is.
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
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Phat
Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.3
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Message 83 of 116 (898520)
09-25-2022 3:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 82 by ringo
09-25-2022 3:21 PM
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Re: Moving Topic From Racism Thread.
What are you hunting?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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ringo
Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 84 of 116 (898524)
09-25-2022 3:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 83 by Phat
09-25-2022 3:26 PM
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Re: Moving Topic From Racism Thread.
Phat writes: What are you hunting?
People who are wrong.
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
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Phat
Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.3
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Message 85 of 116 (898534)
09-25-2022 3:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 84 by ringo
09-25-2022 3:40 PM
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Re: Moving Topic From Racism Thread.
My beloved Contrarian!
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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ringo
Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 86 of 116 (898536)
09-25-2022 3:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 85 by Phat
09-25-2022 3:55 PM
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Re: Moving Topic From Racism Thread.
Phat writes: My beloved Contrarian!
On the contrary,  , I am only contrary to people who are wrong. Look at how many people I cheer.
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
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Percy
Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 87 of 116 (898551)
09-26-2022 10:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 84 by ringo
09-25-2022 3:40 PM
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Re: Moving Topic From Racism Thread.
ringo writes: Phat writes: What are you hunting?
People who are wrong. Probably posted before, but they're still good:
--Percy
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Percy
Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 88 of 116 (898552)
09-26-2022 10:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 79 by Phat
09-25-2022 1:52 PM
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Re: Redirecting Political Discussion
Phat writes: it seems to me that unlike my post to candle2 above, your main reason for disliking Trump is that he was a Republican. You need to do another rationality check. You asked about Republicans, I responded about Republicans and never mentioned Trump the man once, and you respond like this? Does responding in this way make sense to you now in the light of day?
Wouldn't it be a lot easier to type this:
[tid=20210] Instead of this:
[url=https://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&t=20210] Who's the bigger offender: Conservatives or Liberals?[/url] The obvious answer has been provided before. All political parties are made up of people, and people come in all types. We're not trying to figure out which party has better people, because the obvious answer is neither party. But we do know which party has implemented and is implementing racist and authoritarian policies, and I just provided you a long list of examples to which you provided no response at all beyond this:
I lean more conservative than liberal though I like my Social Security and Medicare, which Liberals tend to support more than Conservatives. So do your conservative leanings cause you to support gerrymandering? I'm against gerrymandering regardless which party is doing it. Are you hostile towards BLM? Do you support antisemitic or Nazi or pro-Confederacy or white supremacist conservatives? Do you support making voting harder for minorities? Are you in favor of mistreatment of illegal immigrants on the grounds that they're not like us and don't belong here? Are you in favor of banning books? Are you against gay marriage? Do you believe in forced birth? Do you believe abortion should be criminalized, even when performed in another state? Do you believe the US is a Christian nation? Anyone answering yes to most of these questions is likely a full-blooded racist, misogynist, authoritarian, anti-church/state separation right-winger. --Percy
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Phat
Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.3
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Message 89 of 116 (898559)
09-26-2022 12:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 88 by Percy
09-26-2022 10:34 AM
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Re: Redirecting Political Discussion
In response to your questions:
So do your conservative leanings cause you to support gerrymandering? I had to look up the term, though yes I am against the practice no matter which party is doing it.
Are you hostile towards BLM? No. Its a free country. We should have the right to peacefully assemble. I am against the January 6th fiasco, which leads us to your next question.
Do you support antisemitic or Nazi or pro-Confederacy or white supremacist conservatives? No. White lives matter too, but whites have no need to assemble simply to protest injustices towards "whiteness". We already have the GOB (Good old Boys) network which is slowly dissolving. that being said, I am against affirmative action and am watching the implementation of reparations. I don't believe that government should "legislate fairness". It causes the pendulum to swing too far the other way. That's one reason I am a moderate...I like the pendulum somewhere in the middle.
Do you support making voting harder for minorities? No. If anything, voting should be easier for everyone. I wish we could do it online.
Are you in favor of the mistreatment of illegal immigrants on the grounds that they're not like us and don't belong here? No, but I am against any policy that makes it easier to be illegal. We need a measure of border security. There are many "people" who would like an opportunity to knock the US off of the top rung.(if we even occupy such a rung!) 
Are you in favor of banning books? No, but I think that any ideology taught in an institution of higher learning should be challenged in order to develop true critical thinking in students rather than left-wing exclusivity.
Are you against gay marriage? No. It is a secular issue in a pluralistic society. Furthermore, the church should not interfere except within its own jurisdiction apart from the government.
Do you believe in forced birth? I don't know enough about the issue to comment.
Do you believe abortion should be criminalized,
even when performed in another state? No.
Do you believe the US is a Christian nation? If the choices were Christian, Muslim, or Secular, I would say that our upbringing was and is largely Christian. That being said, the Moral Majority led to problems for our national politics. The marriage between patriotism and Christianity was not the best idea. 
Anyone answering yes to most of these questions is likely a full-blooded racist, misogynist, authoritarian, anti-church/state separation right-winger. So how did I do?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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nwr
Member Posts: 6484 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: 08-08-2005 Member Rating: 8.7
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Message 90 of 116 (898560)
09-26-2022 12:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 89 by Phat
09-26-2022 12:01 PM
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Re: Redirecting Political Discussion
So how did I do? You should be voting for Democrats. Your views are closer to their policies than to the Republican policies. That wasn't always true. The Republicans used to show some common sense. But right now they manage to be wrong about almost everything.
Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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