Are You Racist?

What DO you think governments should do?And conversely, how else will we achieve fairness?

Ringo, you need to understand the meaning of
switcheroo.Tohuw's primary meaning is "to lie waste."
To lie waste does not prevent secondary interpretations;
such as, desert, worthless thing, or desolate.Isaiah 45:18 states that the earth was not not created
tohuw.Now you say that the earth was created as a desert,
worthless thing or desolate, a vacuityBut that directly contradicts Isaiah 45:18 that states
the earth was not created tohuw, or as you say: desert,
worthless thing, or desolate place.So tohuw in Genesis 1:2 cannot mean what you hope
it meansIf tohuw is not the condition that the earth was
created in, then it should be obvious to even the
dimmest among us that tohuw is the condition
earth became.I don't rely on creationists stories, even though some
are well researched and thought out. My church has
taught me these truths.You mentioned that Adam and Eve, who had never
experienced death, would not know what death
meant.Sure they would. God told them.And, no offense, but Paul, who wrote Romans, has
been known by a good many of people down
through the centuries.If one of you two is lying, it sure ain't him.

Through providing equal opportunity to work hard and get paid.

Also Ringo, tell us what you think happened during
creation week.Even if you are an atheist, you must have an opinion
of what you think Moses is stating.Without having your own interpretation of what
happened on each particular day, you carry little
credibility when debating others.

No. You don't get to decide what the "primary meaning" is. YOU were the one wo (mis)quoted Strong. I just pointed out what Strong actually said. It says no such thing:

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Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.

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I didn't say it. Strong did.
​ I quoted it above. It does not contradict what Strong said. Tohuw IS the condition that the earth was created in. But tohuw does NOT mean what you claim it does. You're contradicting your own source. You're embellishing again. There's nothing in the story to suggest that God told them anything about death. They would have to have known about it already, from observation of reality, or His threat would have been meaningless. Pay attention. I didn't say he was lying. I said he was wrong.

Where do you think minimum wage laws came from? And safe working conditions? (keyword: laws)And you didn't answer the question: What do you think governments should do?

The story is right there in Genesis 1. But it's just a story. It didn't happen like that. Moses has nothing to do with Genesis1. I don't need "my own interpretation". YOU do because you have a preconceived notion of what you want it to say. I just go by what it DOES say.And I'll stack my credibility against yours any day of the week.

Candle2 can you help me? I'm trying to keep on topic in all of my posts on various topics. I think that you and I and ringo should discuss this stuff over here: Message 65

Edited by Phat, : just waking up

This buys into the conservative racist trope that BLM means that black lives matter and white lives don't. So you already understood what I just said, but you recited the racist trope anyway. The good ole boy network is dissolving just as much as racism is dissolving. Are you against affirmative action specifically, or against any efforts to level the playing field. You're don't reveal your position on this one, but it would be consistent with your other comments if you were against reparations, which is just another proposal attempting to level the playing field. So you believe it shouldn't be against the law to refuse to sell real estate or rent apartments to blacks? Or to have one water fountain for blacks, another for whites? Or to have white schools and black schools? We should bring back separate but "equal", where equal is in quotes because what was provided to whites was far superior to that for blacks? The pendulum hasn't budged an inch. Perhaps the language we use has changed, we don't call them niggers anymore, but the attitudes have not. You're not a moderate. You're a racist. That would be nice, but the pendulum remains far to the right. If the pendulum were shaped like an arrow it would be pointed at white privilege, white supremacy, and religiously excused discrimination on the basis of race and sexual proclivity. How much harder do you want to make it for people who have already endured hell just to get here? Where does our broken immigration system enter into your equation? What is one to do when the normal immigration process takes months to years, and that's if you're sponsored, but your family is starving now, or the cartel is threatening to kill you now? You have the compassion of devil spawn. The people banning books are religious homophobes, and the books being banned are LGBTQ books in school libraries. No institutions of higher learning are banning books (though I would find it believable about religious institutions). Where did you get that idea from? This is inconsistent with your other views. I have to believe it stems from something in your personal life. Sure you do. You know exactly what it is, but I'll spell it out for you. Forced birth is what happens when anti-abortion sentiments are codified into law. Forced birth occurs when someone wants an abortion but can't obtain one because it is against the law, and so she is forced to continue the pregnancy to term and give birth. As is happening right now. Some women even live in states where they have to pass through several other states before reaching one where they can obtain an abortion. Then you are against forced birth, too. Your "Christian nation" attitudes are obvious. Saying that "our upbringing was and is largely Christian" overstates the case. Only 65% of Americans are Christian, and that number is declining. Less than half of Americans belong to a church of any affiliation, and that number is in decline, too. Finally some sanity. You're a typical Christian racist who doesn't believe they're racist.--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Fix quoting error.

Tanyptery, my kids were no more well off than many black
kids. But, they had a father at home who loved them dearly,
and who taught them the values that would help them
succeed in life.Now they are doing well. And, both of them are deeply involved
in their kid's lives.Not all fathers are good though. My father shot my mother
to death in front of me before turning the shotgun to his
own head.I spent the next nine years of my life in an orphange. At the
age of 18 I was told to go, and I had no place to go.When I first went to the orphanage (Paradise Friendly Home,
in Graves County, KY.) I was scared to death of the other,
larger kids. I would hide in an old 55 gallon barrel for hours
at a time. I did this for numerous days.I was booted out of the army I couldn't adjust. I went through
much of my life drinking and doing drugs. I was in and out of
jail.What I needed more than anything was a loving mother and
father. Especially a father to guide me and teach me how to
become a fine young man.People won't believe this but I eventually I found the father
that I needed. It was and is the heavenly Father.Those who say one cannot have a relationship with Him are
ignorant beyond words.And, never assume that just because one is of a certain race
or ethnicity that they are mentally stronger or weaker than the
others.The greatest predictor of living in povety is the absent of a
father in the home.One other thing, difficult and trying times can lead to emotional
growth. It can also lead to a more compassionate individual.

You didn't answer my question.Here it is again. If you had answered you would see where white privilege and system racism exists. Instead you made excuses so you could ignore its existence.Black children in America with good fathers still have to face systemic racism in healthcare, and education, and employment, and housing, and voting, and banking, and by law enforcement. I guess you've never heard the term, driving while black.

It's easy enough to see why you needed a father figure - so much that you made one up. Of course you can have a "relationship" with an imaginary friend. It's pretty common, especially among children.For that matter, the reason a lot of marriages fail is because the relationship is largely an idealized fantasy. Or not. A large proportion of prison inmates come from trying times.

Tanyptery, you made the assertion white privilege and
racism exists.I simply asking you to put your money where your mouth is.Tell us in all your infinite wisdom what privileges I have that
a black person doesn't have.

Ringo, many of those who are in prison were raised
without father's.And just saying that I needed a father figure so
badly that I made one up is nothing more than a
cheap come-back.Some guy that believes his ancestry consists of
amoeba, hyenas, and chimps has a lot of gall in
trying to convince others about life.You brain came about by random chance, nothing
but a mutation. It can't be trusted.Mine was created by God.

Candle2, (and others) perhaps we should remind ourselves that belief in God is a Faith & Belief or Theism topic rather than a racism topic unless perhaps one could start an argument over Biblical Patriarchs and Sexism or slavery in the Bible and/or anti-semitism. That being said, enjoy your coffee, and don't spill any on Percy's carpet.