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Topic: Are You Racist?
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Phat
Member Posts: 18763 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 2.9
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Message 30 of 116 (888862)
10-14-2021 7:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 29 by Percy
10-03-2021 1:23 PM
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At My Store The Majority Of Shoplifters Are Black.
I don't think that you can label the feelings of a group of people of color collectively. Some of the women were no doubt a bit surprised yet amicable towards you. Not everyone is prejudiced. It is based on our individual experiences with other races don't you think? I must admit to being prejudiced due to the behavior that I observe over and over and over again. We have a lot of blatant shoplifters. They come in with their empty bags and light backpacks and stuff them full...I mean FULL of products obviously intended for resale on the street. Our employees get irritated by this, though I will say that (likely due to the neighborhood our store is in) MOST of our known shoplifters are black. This does not mean that blacks steal more than other races, but it does indicate that most poor(er) people are black (at least in the neighborhood our store is in) I find myself saying "its not fair" over and over again in my mind. My prejudice is due to my perception (which may or may not be correct) that many shoplifters seem to be Blaise about their crime and in fact, feel entitled to repeatedly do it. I'm not sure why it makes me so angry, but I feel a misplaced sense of entitlement and a curious lack of guilt or responsibility among the ones (the same ones) that we see day in and day out....always leaving with full bags and backpacks that were clearly empty when they came in. Am I wrong for feeling prejudice? I keep finding myself nearly shouting at God for this entitlement that I perceive as going against me. (An employee who gets his livelihood from the pilfered company)
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Message 31 of 116 (895629)
07-09-2022 3:07 PM
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What sort of Ist are you?
I'm rereading old topics today. Sometimes I do that since I am looking for fresh perspectives. after reading Percy's suggestion that Dredge was an "age-ist" due to him referring to her as an old witch, I found myself back at Percy's old thread, "Are You Racist". So here I am. By the way, I think that Dredge despises Pelosey for her Liberal stance rather than her character flaws.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Member Posts: 18763 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 2.9
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Message 33 of 116 (895632)
07-09-2022 3:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 32 by Tangle
07-09-2022 3:20 PM
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Re: What sort of Ist are you?
Nothing much really. I have no ax to grind with racism. We all unconsciously or consciously have it to varying degrees. My point is that Dredge is more of an anti-liberal than he is ageist or racist. Thats about it. My only beef with Pelosi is that she struggled with alcohol.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Member Posts: 18763 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 2.9
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Message 49 of 116 (898018)
09-17-2022 4:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 48 by dwise1
09-17-2022 1:15 PM
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Re: What sort of Ist are you?
Imagine if this great nation of ours falls apart financially. Think of all the antichrist spirits that will manifest....many from so-called believers themselves.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Member Posts: 18763 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 2.9
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Message 52 of 116 (898058)
09-18-2022 10:12 AM
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Reply to: Message 51 by Candle3
09-18-2022 9:56 AM
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Re: What sort of Ist are you?
candle2 writes: It is becoming increasingly worse month after month. I agree with that. The United States is in big trouble. Our politicians are seeking short-term solutions to long-range problems. I never did like Trump and don't want him in power again. That being said, I think that Biden is a puppet. If Dems want to remain in power, they need to do much better than old Joe and two harpy women. (Kamala and AOC)
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Member Posts: 18763 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 2.9
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Message 53 of 116 (898060)
09-18-2022 10:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 48 by dwise1
09-17-2022 1:15 PM
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Re: What sort of Ist are you?
If you want to use biblical analogies, try this one:
1 John 2:18 writes: Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. Now as to whether it is the "last hour" or not, a case can be argued either way. I would argue that antichrists can arise in both political parties and often do. Nero fiddles while Rome burns.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Member Posts: 18763 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 2.9
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Message 62 of 116 (898274)
09-21-2022 5:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 61 by Candle3
09-21-2022 5:37 PM
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Re: What sort of Ist are you?
24 hours?? What day was the Sun turned on? Also, FYI: Bishop Usher was an Anglican Irish Bishop famous for assuming the age of the earth based on the chronology mentioned in the Bible. Its kinda where the whole strange idea of 6000 years came from.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Member Posts: 18763 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 2.9
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Message 69 of 116 (898469)
09-24-2022 3:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 68 by xongsmith
09-24-2022 2:57 PM
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Ghasstly Child?
Who is this ghastly child? And why is this all said in a topic about racism? Add by edit: I think I am guilty of pulling Percys topic off track. Candle2 just took the opportunity to blame Democrats. Give me a minute and I will steer us back to racism. Edited by Phat, : added observation based on reviewing past posts
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Member Posts: 18763 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 2.9
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Message 70 of 116 (898470)
09-24-2022 4:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 35 by Percy
07-09-2022 5:29 PM
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Re: What sort of Ist are you?
Tangle, message 32 writes: What are you hoping for here Phat? Phat, message 33 writes: Nothing much really. I have no ax to grind with racism. We all unconsciously or consciously have it to varying degrees. My point is that Dredge is more of an anti-liberal than he is ageist or racist. That's about it. My only beef with Pelosi is that she struggled with alcohol. I think what I really meant to say was that Dems give her a free pass for often being drunk on the job. They disproportionately attack Republicans (Governors) as well as old Trump, who needs to be kept in check even more than Pelosi.
Percy, message 35 writes: But for the sake of discussion let's say she is an alcoholic, which is a disease. You have a beef with Pelosi because she struggled with a disease? Should people have a beef with you because you've struggled with diabetes? Shame on you for your gullibility, your ignorance, your irrationality, and your prejudice. A conscious effort might result in improvements, but you not only make none but grow progressively worse. Hey Percy I'm working on my rationality. My A1C has dropped to 10 after a month and a half and the Endocrinologist projects it at 7.5 in another month and a half. I apologize for any irrationality I may have. My question to all of you is this: Do you see Republicans by and large as more racist than normal? And Candle 2, please take the Bible discussion elsewhere.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Message 78 of 116 (898494)
09-25-2022 1:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 77 by Candle3
09-25-2022 1:23 PM
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Moving off topic stuff.
Moving the political/religious arguments out of this topic unless they refer specifiacally to Racism. Candle2, please redirect your responses here. Message 773Edited by Phat, .
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Member Posts: 18763 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 2.9
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Message 79 of 116 (898495)
09-25-2022 1:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 76 by Percy
09-25-2022 9:10 AM
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Redirecting Political Discussion
it seems to me that unlike my post to candle2 above, your main reason for disliking Trump is that he was a Republican. There are racist Democrats, sexist Democrats, and greedy Democrats. I suppose we can all discuss this more in
Who's the bigger offender: Conservatives or Liberals? Message 773 I lean more conservative than liberal though I like my Social Security and Medicare, which Liberals tend to support more than Conservatives. Edited by Phat, .
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Message 81 of 116 (898515)
09-25-2022 3:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 80 by ringo
09-25-2022 2:57 PM
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Moving Topic From Racism Thread.
This rabbit trail would be better placed here.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Member Posts: 18763 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 2.9
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Message 83 of 116 (898520)
09-25-2022 3:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 82 by ringo
09-25-2022 3:21 PM
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Re: Moving Topic From Racism Thread.
What are you hunting?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Message 85 of 116 (898534)
09-25-2022 3:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 84 by ringo
09-25-2022 3:40 PM
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Re: Moving Topic From Racism Thread.
 My beloved Contrarian!
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Message 89 of 116 (898559)
09-26-2022 12:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 88 by Percy
09-26-2022 10:34 AM
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Re: Redirecting Political Discussion
In response to your questions:
So do your conservative leanings cause you to support gerrymandering? I had to look up the term, though yes I am against the practice no matter which party is doing it.
Are you hostile towards BLM? No. Its a free country. We should have the right to peacefully assemble. I am against the January 6th fiasco, which leads us to your next question.
Do you support antisemitic or Nazi or pro-Confederacy or white supremacist conservatives? No. White lives matter too, but whites have no need to assemble simply to protest injustices towards "whiteness". We already have the GOB (Good old Boys) network which is slowly dissolving. that being said, I am against affirmative action and am watching the implementation of reparations. I don't believe that government should "legislate fairness". It causes the pendulum to swing too far the other way. That's one reason I am a moderate...I like the pendulum somewhere in the middle.
Do you support making voting harder for minorities? No. If anything, voting should be easier for everyone. I wish we could do it online.
Are you in favor of the mistreatment of illegal immigrants on the grounds that they're not like us and don't belong here? No, but I am against any policy that makes it easier to be illegal. We need a measure of border security. There are many "people" who would like an opportunity to knock the US off of the top rung.(if we even occupy such a rung!) 
Are you in favor of banning books? No, but I think that any ideology taught in an institution of higher learning should be challenged in order to develop true critical thinking in students rather than left-wing exclusivity.
Are you against gay marriage? No. It is a secular issue in a pluralistic society. Furthermore, the church should not interfere except within its own jurisdiction apart from the government.
Do you believe in forced birth? I don't know enough about the issue to comment.
Do you believe abortion should be criminalized,
even when performed in another state? No.
Do you believe the US is a Christian nation? If the choices were Christian, Muslim, or Secular, I would say that our upbringing was and is largely Christian. That being said, the Moral Majority led to problems for our national politics. The marriage between patriotism and Christianity was not the best idea. 
Anyone answering yes to most of these questions is likely a full-blooded racist, misogynist, authoritarian, anti-church/state separation right-winger. So how did I do?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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