Are You Racist?

That's what I said. A difficult upbringing doesn't always lead to emotional growth and more compassion. It's a fairly obvious comeback. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You probably couldn't be convinced that the world is round.And anybody who doesn't understand that we DO come from the same ancestors as amoebas, hyenas and chimps has a lot to learn before we can teach him anything about life.But this topic isn't about evolution. Try to be wrong about one thing at a time. Wrong. My brain - and all brains - came from the mutations that were selected.They were selected because they worked better than the ones that were not selected. So they HAVE already shown that they can be trusted. Do you realize that you're not making any sense?You're trying to deny evolution, yet you're admitting that MY brain did evolve. Are you going to shoot yourself in the other foot too?And by the way, I'll stack my brain up against yours any day of the week. Go ahead and try to discuss something intelligently.

Here are two for you:If you are stopped for a traffic violation, as a white man, you have the right to not be shot dead for looking suspicious. And, if you are in police custody as a white man you have the right to not have your neck slowly crushed till you suffocate to death.People of color don't have these rights in this society. That is your white privilege.

When you were growing up was your family able to live anywhere they could afford?
Though my father was classically white looking he was Puerto Rican. In the 60's when I was a child, there were whole areas we could not live in because of that.

I was born and grew up in Orange County, Calif. and married into a Mexican family. My father-in-law and ex-wife are from Chicago, but his father was from northern Mexico and was mestizo (AKA "brownish") and so is my father-in-law. My mother-in-law is from Mexico City, but her family is primarily Spanish (AKA "rubia" meaning "blonde, light-skinned"). She kept her Mexican citizenship for many years so that they could buy property when they retired to Mexico, but then around 2000 they abandoned those plans and she finally became a US citizen. That meant that for about half a century she had a green card.They would go down to Tijuana to go shopping (he loved to buy in bulk, especially food, so the garage was something of a warehouse). Coming back over the border, they would always stop him and check his legal status thoroughly, but wave her through, to which she'd ask them, "But don't you want to see my green card?" They'd always laugh about that. 
The city of Fountain Valley was traditionally farmland until in the late 60's they decided to grow housing tracts instead, forcing out almost all the farms (a few small fields still remain). Nestled within those housing tracts you can find small clusters of older houses. It wasn't until I stumbled upon a late-40's Thomas Brothers wall map that I saw Fountain Valley sprinkled with a number of small communities called colonias.A year or two ago I found an article about those colonias, but here's another article. Basically, established Orange County cities were redlined against Mexicans such that they could not buy a house but could only rent (further restricting where they could live). Starting in the 1920's, enterprising real estate developers started subdividing plots of land into lots and selling them to Mexicans, thus creating the colonias which have either been assimilated into the 60's tracts or surrounded by them. Most of those lots were large enough for a house, a small field (or large garden), and room for chickens and a cow or goats. Using Google Earth, you can still find some of those lots like in Colonia Juarez south of Mile Square Park and on Hazard just west of Euclid.

AZPaul3, blacks kill more police officers than the other
way around.Blacks kill more whites than vice-versa.Police officers kill more whites than they do blacks.The Democratic Party broke up the black family. They
removed the Father from the home.

Prove it. All of it.

Nope! Nobody's brain came about by random chance, but rather the human brain evolved along with the body. Evolution is not the same as random chance! Everybody who knows anything at all about evolution knows that! That you (in typical YEC fashion) would think such an utterly stupid and ignorant thing only demonstrates yet again how abjectly ignorant you are of what evolution is or how it works.That means that your false claim of understanding evolution is just that, false! Just like your obvious lie that you " know how carbon dating works" (Message 482) while demonstrating repeatedly that you have absolutely no clue!Let's see, the score of you demonstrating that you understand evolution to demonstrating that you don't is now about zero to ... so numerous and ubiquitous that we have lost count -- like the young child just learning to count: " ... Unos. ... Dos. ... ... ... Muchos!" Nope! Your highly fallible brain had the same origin as ringo's. You cannot possibly claim that your brain and ringo's had entirely separate and different origins. You're both in the same boat.But then perhaps there is another interpretation for your appeal to you and ringo having resulted from separate creations. A very insidious one.On occasion in my desire to understand everything, I have tried to find some kind of theoretical basis for Nazism, but usually in vain. In Rick Steves' episode on fascism in Europe, a historian compared the bookshelves of a Communist and of a Nazi. The Communist's bookshelf would be full of books filled with a lot of Marxist and socialist and economic theory; he has a lot of studying to do. The Nazi's bookshelf would contain only one book, Mein Kampf, which very few were ever able to read through, though they all needed to possess a copy (somewhat similar to "true Christians" all having and even carrying a Bible even though it's obvious that far too few of them have ever actually read it).But one day I did stumble upon a site with materials from actual works of Nazi race theory -- it was an academic site studying those works rather than an actual Nazi or neo-Nazi site.The most interesting thing I learned on that site is that Nazis were creationists! More specifically, they did believe in Creation (so much for the ubiquitious creationist lie that evolution caused Nazism) and that Aryans and Untermenschen ("sub-humans") were distinctly separate creations who must not be allowed to interbreed. Wow!Then several months later I heard statements from the racists of the American South (19th century to the 20th at least) saying the exact same thing! Double wow! Though I had already known that American eugenics teachings had influenced Nazi race theory.Then I watched via ZOOM a presentation by Dr. Eugenie Scott, former President of the National Center for Science Education (NCSE), "What People Get Wrong--And Sometimes Right--About Evolution." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80VWDi4Z_JM -- that's on YouTube). I had just previously discussed what I had watched via ZOOM in my Message 110 where I also discussed that Nazi literature study (Fuck your too-tiny phone screen! Read it anyway!).Watching her video, I learned two new terms which I described in my Message 110: Polygenesis, the belief that different kinds of people are the result of different acts of Creation by God and forms a theological basis for white supremacist racism, pretty much the basic topic here. Consider the question (taken from Inherit the Wind) of "Where did Cain's wife come from? Another creation over in the next county?" According to polygenesis, that would make sense. Remember 1966 feature movie with lots of big Hollywood stars (George G. Scott played Abraham), The Bible: In the Beginning...? At that point where Cain (Richard Harris -- told you it was a big production) has received the "Mark of Cain" and flees into the wilderness, the film then shows the descendants of Cain, African blacks, implying a common belief that the Mark of Cain is black skin (I shit thee not!):

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American Protestant racial beliefs on the mark of Cain

At some point after the start of the slave trade in the United States, many Protestant denominations began teaching the belief that the mark of Cain was a dark skin tone in an attempt to justify their actions, although early descriptions of Romani as "descendants of Cain" written by Franciscan friar Symon Semeonis suggest that this belief had existed for some time. Protestant preachers wrote exegetical analyses of the curse, with the assumption that it was dark skin.

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Baptist segregation

The split between the Northern and Southern Baptist organizations arose over doctrinal issues pertaining to slavery and the education of slaves. At the time of the split, the Southern Baptist group used the curse of Cain as a justification for slavery. Some 19th- and 20th-century Baptist ministers in the Southern United States taught the belief that there were two separate heavens; one for blacks, and one for whites. Southern Baptists either taught or practiced various forms of racial segregation well into the mid-20th century, though members of all races were accepted at worship services. In 1995, the Southern Baptist Convention officially denounced racism and apologized for its past defense of slavery.

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The curse of Cain was used to support a ban on ordaining blacks to most Protestant clergies until the 1960s in both the United States and Europe. The majority of Christian churches in the world, including the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox churches, Anglican churches, and Oriental Orthodox churches, did not recognize these interpretations and did not participate in the religious movement to support them. Certain Catholic dioceses in the Southern United States adopted a policy of not ordaining blacks to oversee, administer the sacraments to, or accept confessions from white parishioners. This policy was not based on a "curse of Cain" teaching, but was justified by the widely held perception that slaves should not rule over their masters. However, this was not approved of by the Pope or by any papal teaching.

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So then, candle2_casting_darkness, are you proposing a blatantly racist polygenetic model in which you and ringo were separately created?Is that what you really believe? If not, then why say it that way?What is wrong with you? 

Ringo, you say that your brain selected the mutations.
You must mean that it is similar to going into Walmart
and selecting what items and which brands one wants.Why don't you select a mutation that turns your arms
into wings.Blind, random chance does not have the ability to select.
The vast majority of mutations are harmful, and even
fatal to an organism.Even when a mutation offers a degree of benefits (such
as Sickle Cell Anemia) it also carries risks.You don't get it do you? I was laughing at you when you I
that your ancestry consists of amoeba, hyenas, and chimps.Your brain came about by what you call selective mutations.Surely, with a big Ole impressive brain like that, creating
life from a pool of chemicals should be child's play.Your big Ole brain must be far superior to mine, because I
can't even come close to achieving that.In fact, I wouldn't even know where to start.

I didn't say that.I said that our brains come from mutations that were selected. Mutations happen. Some of them make us more able to survive. Some make us less able to survive. The ones that make us more able to survive can be passed sown to our offspring.If you're going to try to argue against evolution, you really should have an inkling of a clue about how it works. It is, kinda. People go to Walmart and select the items they want. The items that are bought "survive" - i.e. the supplier sends more. But the ones that people don't select are not re-ordered. The supplier goes broke and the items become extinct. Because WE don't do the selecting. The environment does. If there was a mutation for wings, it would quite possibly be selected OUT; it would be a "deformity" which would make the person LESS able to manipulate tools, etc. than if he had hands and LESS likely to survive. Of course not. The mutations are the selected, not the selectors. Yes, indeed. And a lot of species have become extinct. Their environment selected then OUT. All of life carries risks. There's the food chain, for example. I know. And the rest of us are laughing at YOU because you don't understand that they ARE our relatives. I didn't call them any such things. I said that mutations are selected. Biochemists' play. It requires twenty of so years of education STARTING when you're a child. Well, you can't even read my posts with comprehension. (How many errors did I point out?) You should be asking questions not being arrogant and condescending. Start by learning a basic kindergarten-level of understanding about evolution.

So what?

You're replying to a message from dwise1, not ringo. And why is blatant racism a "So what?" to you?--Percy