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Phat
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Message 31 of 39 (895629)
07-09-2022 3:07 PM


What sort of Ist are you?
I'm rereading old topics today. Sometimes I do that since I am looking for fresh perspectives.
after reading Percy's suggestion that Dredge was an "age-ist" due to him referring to her as an old witch, I found myself back at Percy's old thread, "Are You Racist".
So here I am. By the way, I think that Dredge despises Pelosey for her Liberal stance rather than her character flaws.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 32 of 39 (895630)
07-09-2022 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Phat
07-09-2022 3:07 PM


Re: What sort of Ist are you?
What are you hoping for here Phat?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Phat
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Message 33 of 39 (895632)
07-09-2022 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Tangle
07-09-2022 3:20 PM


Re: What sort of Ist are you?
Nothing much really. I have no ax to grind with racism. We all unconsciously or consciously have it to varying degrees. My point is that Dredge is more of an anti-liberal than he is ageist or racist. Thats about it. My only beef with Pelosi is that she struggled with alcohol.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 34 of 39 (895633)
07-09-2022 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Phat
07-09-2022 3:45 PM


Re: What sort of Ist are you?
Phat writes:
My point is that Dredge is more of an anti-liberal than he is ageist or racist.
Dredge is an act, we have no idea what he actually thinks. As for liberal, Americans really need to use a different word for whatever you mistakenly think the word means.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Percy
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Message 35 of 39 (895635)
07-09-2022 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Phat
07-09-2022 3:45 PM


Re: What sort of Ist are you?
Phat writes:
My only beef with Pelosi is that she struggled with alcohol.
You are so gullible it is painful to watch.
But for the sake of discussion let's say she is an alcoholic, which is a disease. You have a beef with Pelosi because she struggled with a disease? Should people have a beef with you because you've struggled with diabetes?
Shame on you for your gullibility, your ignorance, your irrationality, and your prejudice. A conscious effort might result in improvements, but you not only make none but grow progressively worse.
--Percy

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 36 of 39 (895674)
07-10-2022 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
09-29-2021 5:40 PM


We have seen the results of intergroup hatreds all over the world from Yugoslavia to Myanmar to Kashmir to Ireland to Rwanda to Lebanon.
If we do not tend these wounds, things will go worse for everyone, not just the ones on the "losing" end of intertribal conflict.

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Message 37 of 39 (895691)
07-11-2022 10:41 AM
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07-10-2022 1:34 PM


"Intergroup hatreds" seem inherent to the human condition. I think racism will be with us always.
--Percy

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Message 38 of 39 (895692)
07-11-2022 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Percy
07-11-2022 10:41 AM


Agreed but it should always be called out and exposed.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 39 of 39 (895704)
07-11-2022 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Phat
07-09-2022 3:45 PM


Re: What sort of Ist are you?
Phat writes:
My point is that Dredge is more of an anti-liberal than he is ageist or racist.
Racism is part of our evolution and so is liberality toward our own social group. We are trying to overcome our evolutionary heritage by broadening our social group to include other races and extending our liberality.
Ironically, conservatives like Dredge are trying to conserve our evolved flaws while at the same time denying evolution.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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