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Author Topic:   Evolution falsifies God/s?
NoNukes
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Message 43 of 253 (726455)
05-09-2014 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by faceman
05-09-2014 3:46 AM


Re: Denial doesn't refute reality
How could natural selection accountt for honesty?
Perhaps I might remind you of the parable of the good Samaritan.
People typically don't steal from each other regardless of their religious beliefs. I'm not sold on the idea that honesty is an inherited, but I certainly do believe that parental influence is the most important way morality is imparted to children. And parents use various methods to teach their children what societies' rules are.
We might also note that being Christian does not stop the ministers of super churches from sleeping with teen age boys or prostitutes.
an atheist believes we are essentially stardust - and there's no basis for any real intrinsic value there.
And yet atheists manage to enjoy the company of their fellow humans just as you do. Is that really so hard to fathom? And quite frankly, that need for socializing is more than enough answer to explain why they don't treat you or I like crap. Doing so ends up depriving people of the company of the people they enjoy being around.
If your position is that you personally only treat people well because of your belief in God, I thank God that you are wrong because you would otherwise be just that thin thread away from being a psychopath. Maybe on a bad day when you have the kind of doubts all Christians go through who knows what you might become.
Fortunately your position, like most of the stuff you've posted here, is just not very well thought out. It actually turns out the being honest has secular rewards. There is value in having your word taken as the truth and consequences here on earth for being a liar.
Even here on this site we find that people earn reputations for telling lies, for being logical, for presenting sound arguments. You are earning a reputation right now with every post you make.
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I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 44 of 253 (726457)
05-09-2014 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by faceman
05-09-2014 3:31 AM


Re: Some more basics on evolution
unny, I was thinking the same about you. If you can't defend the Darwinian evolutionary model, then that can only leave one other answer. In which case all the sciences - physics, geology, cosmology and logic itself - must come from God.
I challenge you to develop the chain of logic that leads to your conclusion. If you cannot do that, then along with the other examples you will have truly earned the title of Non Sequitur Man.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 67 of 253 (726573)
05-10-2014 1:33 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by faceman
05-09-2014 10:55 PM


Re: Denial doesn't refute reality
I've found this site to be a bit slanted towards the atheistic/evolutionary argument
While that's true, everyone here seems to like a good argument. I find your logic full of holes. I don't expect you to agree or change your mind just because some one presents an argument. But when you don't even bother to provide good arguments yourself, you come across as a smug fool. I won't bother with you any further.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 116 of 253 (726941)
05-14-2014 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by Faith
05-13-2014 10:24 PM


Re: Genetics For The Ill-Informed
NOTHING of any benefit to the organism, except once in a great great while by a sheer fluke
That turns out to be enough for the TOE to work. The lethal mutations do not get passed from generation to generation for the obvious reasons, so when we are concerned about what their final impact is 100 generations later, we can ignore those.
Quite obviously, this is not the kind of support faceman would have hoped for.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 122 of 253 (726960)
05-14-2014 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by faceman
05-13-2014 8:55 PM


Re: a small step maybe
Mutations do not create new information, side-by-side with the old information.
Actually, some types of mutations provide duplication of existing information. When a later mutation happens in the duplicated section, then you have new information created next to the old.
But even assuming your original statement was correct, since most animals reproduce sexually, adding different information to any mating partner in a population increases the genetic diversity in the population of animals. For example if a mutation gives an animal a white coat, what does it matter for that animal that it has given up the gene for brown coats? And of course the ability of the population to produce white coats is not lost.
Apparently you have not thought through what a mutation actually is or the consequences of mutations.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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