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Author Topic:   Evolution falsifies God/s?
Pressie
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Message 38 of 253 (726444)
05-09-2014 3:43 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by faceman
05-09-2014 3:31 AM


Re: Some more basics on evolution
You provided a reference to Computational Evolution Experiments Reveal a Net Loss of Genetic Information Despite Selection.
The source you provided doesn't include any references to the peer-reviewed scientific journal it was published in. I can smell a rat here . It seems as if it was a 'paper' formatted and designed to superficially look very similar to a sientific paper.
Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

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Pressie
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Message 40 of 253 (726446)
05-09-2014 3:58 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by faceman
05-09-2014 3:46 AM


Re: Denial doesn't refute reality
faceman writes:
How could natural selection account for honesty?
Easy.
The parents who alerted their children to the pride of lions just outside to the entrance of the cave had their children surviving. Those kids lived on to have children themselves.
The children of those weirdo's telling them that those lions are imaginary didn't survive. They didn't survive to spread those genes.

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Pressie
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Message 42 of 253 (726450)
05-09-2014 4:52 AM
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05-09-2014 4:04 AM


Re: Picard Facepalm
Your response to my post doesn't make any sense at all.

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Pressie
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Message 140 of 253 (727695)
05-20-2014 4:42 AM
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05-20-2014 1:24 AM


Really?
Thanks to your link I'm in the process of getting ordained as a minister of that church.
I'll have to find out whether that church is registered in my country or not, though.
Anyway, if it is, I should be able to legally preside as a Church Minister at the upcoming wedding of my daughter. It's a way for me, personally, to legally marry couples. Now, that would be totally cool. My daughter and her future husband also think it's a great idea!

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Pressie
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Message 156 of 253 (727945)
05-22-2014 12:47 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by bluegenes
05-21-2014 1:18 PM


Re: a small step maybe
Thanks bluegenes. I read some article at a stage where the occurrence of Down Syndrome also increases exponentially with the age of the mother.
This whole thing got me reading up on it a bit, and I got this Interesting site .
It seems as if some polygenetic diseases such as type 1 diabetes, multiple sclerosis, autism, asthma, and celiac disease (gluten sensitivity) are on the increase, not for the reasons faceman provided, but rather due to the increasing mobility of populations (they call it "population mixing).
In a nutshell, when a specific population has undergone selection against one or more of several disease susceptibility genes - the very genes required for a polygenic disease to occur - that population will, as a result of this selection, have a reduced incidence of the disease. However, when individuals from this population mix with populations that have selected against a different set of susceptibility genes, then their offspring will have a more complete set of these susceptibility genes than either parent. A higher incidence of polygenic diseases is the result.
However, for the same reason diseases associated with single genes (cystic fibrosis, sickle cell anemia, and Tay-Sachs Disease) are on the decrease .
This is counter-intuitive and the opposite of the concept of "hybrid vigor" which results in a reduction in incidence of recessive diseases caused by single genes. Diseases of this type include cystic fibrosis, sickle cell anemia, and Tay-Sachs Disease. Reduction in the incidence of these conditions is a positive aspect of genetic mixing.

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Message 165 of 253 (727956)
05-22-2014 4:04 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by faceman
05-22-2014 1:39 AM


Re: a small step maybe
faceman writes:
Neutral, deleterious and beneficial are all just mutations from a previously "normal" (non-mutated) gene.
Au contraire. All genes ever investigated are mutations from other mutated genes.
Your link doesn't work, but anyway, when you Google it, you get on Wiki ( I take it that it's the reference you intended):
One problem with calculating genetic load is that in order to do so you have to a have a perfect or optimal genotype with which to compare the population to; this kind of genotype simply does not exist. This is problem because it means that it is harder for scientists to gauge with accuracy how much load a population has, and how much load it can bear without being in danger. This means that all perceptions of genetic load should be taken with a grain of salt.
My bold.
Edited by Pressie, : Spelling and added sentence

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