Wyatt's Museum and the shape of Noah's Ark

Oh, absolutely. He/she is the most extreme case I've very seen of making up fantasies and spreading lies to support his/her peculiar interpretation of the Bible.

It would operate, but it would be incapable of generating sufficient head to pump overboard, to say nothing of powering a suction pump to suck out the bilge. It would be like a tap in the side: able to let water in.

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If you take the bible literally, Noah had iron and brass technologies available, so he could of reinforced stress joints, etc...

Raz, Its the same idea that the waves would pulsated up and down in the moon pool to ventilate the air, however with the RAM being the wave, you have this steel ball check valve in the way, with a wider opening up to this narrowed steel check valve, the wave would pulse up,the wider opening and hyraulically lifting this round check valve (steel ball) adding water on each pulse until the pressure containment vessel was pressurized with water, the waves would be a quite powerful RAM, able to build sufficent psi, to handle a simple suction pump, no water wasted, its not a perpetural motion because its power comes from the waves, your just harnessing the wave energies, and taking advantage of the compressibility (springness of this compressed air in the top of the water storage container, to deliver water under pressure), etc...P.S. Since Noah had iron and brass available, the check valve could of been made of either or a combination, etc... I fully realize this technology was lost for a short time after the biblical deluge, etc...

It would operate, but it would be incapable of generating sufficient head to pump overboard, to say nothing of powering a suction pump to suck out the bilge. It would be like a tap in the side: able to let water in.got it?

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if you can give me the cubits (with conversion to footage)...I can reasonably calculate by displacement and weight distribution with only a few allowed givens (Lapping seams etc.) and I will do opposite my training and be liberal with the accounting...the amount of daily leakage that would require pumping ou of the hold (water only)...I promise you it will be ugly even if I'm liberal.

Rocket, you might be interested in http://EvC Forum: Re-enactments of the Noah's Ark voyage? -->EvC Forum: Re-enactments of the Noah's Ark voyage?.

WOW! That was impressive....reckon where Noah got his hands on some 27.5' screws?...it doesn't matter, it would collapse under it's own weight anyway...wood is terribly unforgiving in large structures...thats why they invented steel reinforced concrete.

Rocket, I agree the ark's strength wasn't due to excessive use of wood, it wasn't designed to be schooner, not that some good sided timbers wouldn't of been used, but all angles compartmentalized, kinda how they shore up the earth in mines deep within the earth, etc...P.S. A wood airplane wing isn't strong due to excessive use of wood, but because of sound stress design, under the resin, etc...

dude you are talking to a bona-fide rocket scientist aerospace engineer. There is NO comarison to shoring up mines with timbers at 14.7 psi to the pressure differential for water displacement at that same pressure...lets try a new approach to the problem (I think outside the box) could a wooden ark be built that could travel in a vacuum (space)...for the same reasons one can't be built to withstand pressure, one couldn't be built to hold pressure...yeah, I'm good.

Rocket, Your out of my league then, but whatever, wouldn't the bicycle metal spokes(wood spokes)to its hub (center beam), in principle go both ways, to supporting the rims(ribs),and the tires(the pitched covered outer shell), meaning less wood is at times better than more, I was trying put timbers in the same context as arches, so all stresses are shared around the hub, to all outside edges, etc...[This message has been edited by whatever, 04-29-2004]

this goes back to my days when I finally convinced the other engineers and architects, that they couldn't build the Empire State building out of pine.

Rocket, They probably could of built the empire state building out of gopher wood, whatever that was, but would of needed metal like the ark, though it would of likely burned like the twin towers, etc...The twin towers were built of cement and steel, yet it collapsed, though I blame not you (engineers) but the environmentalists, for its collapsing as quickly as it did, etc...P.S. I heard it was the envionmentalists that were responsible for the twin towers collapse because they barred the head engineer from spraying asphestos on the steel girders, thought if memory serves me, correct, that he said if not sprayed it would be suseptible to collapse in a fire, interestingly the environmentalists won, and the towers collapsed. It was sure an interesting article on Murphys law, not sure if it was true, it was floating around the internet at the time of 911, though bet Donald Trumps new tower being built in Chicago, that its steel girders will be protected against fire, he wouldn't let those darn environmentalists to put his tower at risk, and the people's safety therein, etc...[This message has been edited by whatever, 04-28-2004]

WhateverYou need to do a little more homework on the Twin Towers as well.

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It's probably not true, what caused the collapse was the buckling of the steel girders from the intense heat given of by the burning jet fuel, structurally, steel becomes extremely week under heat and loads...steel reinforced concrete impregnated with asbestos to absorb heat might have held up...but I doubt it..it would take advanced fracture mechanics and heat/load transfer equations to prevent a scenario that they couldn't have seen comming in the intitial design (laymans terms, the buildings would have had to be desiged to withstand the impact of a commercial jet liner in the first place, which didn't happen).