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Author Topic:   Wyatt's Museum and the shape of Noah's Ark
Tennessee R
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Message 264 of 303 (317247)
06-03-2006 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by NosyNed
04-17-2004 10:07 PM


Re: Backwards
NosyNed Said:
"I'm not sure what the exact measurements of this thing are though or, more importantly, how they were taken."
Taken with laser measurements, it is approximately 515 feet long, or EXACTLY 300 cubits. The exact dimension as stated in the Bible.

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Tennessee R
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Message 265 of 303 (317249)
06-03-2006 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by johnfolton
05-03-2004 8:19 PM


Re:
The Golfer wrote:
"Noah had iron and bronze available for strengthening the keel, stress area, and if they were able to increase the air pressure within the ark, it solves all other problems, etc..."
Tubulcain was working with Brass and Iron long before Noah.
Giant fossilized rivets found at the Ron Wyatt Noah's Ark site are made up of alloys that we've only known how to make for a few hundred years. Aluminum. Titanium. Magnesium.
So, Noah had even more technology than you may think available.

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Tennessee R
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Message 267 of 303 (317263)
06-03-2006 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by CK
06-03-2006 3:54 PM


Re: Ron Wyatt = total headcase.
If you had called (931) 293-4745 Wyatt Archaeological Research Wyatt Archaeological Research's Official Phone Line and asked them, WAR could have told you that at least one rivet is kept preserved 30 minutes from Wyatt Museum.
The Wyatt site Wyatt Archaeological Research can only hold so much information,
But had you asked me, I could have told you,
The tests were performed by Teledyne Allvac. A company that works with titanium and has it's own metallurgy lab.
Edited by Tennessee R, : No reason given.

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Tennessee R
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Message 277 of 303 (317385)
06-03-2006 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by CK
06-03-2006 4:45 PM


Re: Ron Wyatt = total headcase.
"and where are those test results?"
I will see if I can get them tomorrow.
"it appears that you are associated with WAR - is this the case?"
Yes. Even though I can't be the definitive source of information, I will at least try to answer everyones questions when I have the time.

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Tennessee R
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Message 278 of 303 (317390)
06-03-2006 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Belfry
06-03-2006 7:03 PM


Re: Metal Fossils
"Please explain how rivets can be fossilized."
Sorry, I suppose I didn't word that in the right way,
the rivets are surrounded by fossilized or petrified material, as seen here: http://www.wyattmuseum.com/noahs-ark-10.htm

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Tennessee R
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Message 279 of 303 (317392)
06-03-2006 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by Damouse
06-03-2006 7:05 PM


Re: Metal Fossils
"rofl.
Speaking of which, what would happen to the rivets after so long?"
I suppose they'd look like this: http://www.wyattmuseum.com/noahs-ark-10.htm ???
But I'm open to suggestions.

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Tennessee R
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Message 280 of 303 (317396)
06-03-2006 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by ringo
06-03-2006 8:41 PM


"Interesting that the measurement is approximate in feet, but exact in cubits. "
Well, I guess they hadn't invented the feet yet, so it's impossible to figure it would be exactly an even number in feet.
"Of course, since cubits can vary over a fairly wide range, the conversion from feet can not be "EXACT". It seems like you are trying very hard to make the measurement fit the Biblical ark."
20.62___? inches is the length of this cubit. It was the cubit and a handbreath that Ezekiel talks about. 20.6 inches, as you can measure ancient gates in.
It seems that laser measurement is trying very hard to make it exactly the lenghth of Noah's Ark!

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Tennessee R
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Message 281 of 303 (317397)
06-03-2006 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by RAZD
06-03-2006 8:45 PM


Re: Metal Fossils
"And of course these were excavated under conrolled conditions so that we would know the age and stratum they were found in ... oh wait, it's Wyatt, the guy who ties big rocks on ropes to hang from cantelevered beams extending off one end of a boat to make it float better"
Actually, had you known the story, you would have known that certain parts of the boat shaped object was uncovered. This was found extremely close to the surface according to Ron. Stratum doesn't really help when you find a man-made rivet close to the surface on a boat-shaped object.
On the side, I've been looking at your R.A.Z.D. signature and could you tell me what it means?

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Tennessee R
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Message 282 of 303 (317399)
06-03-2006 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by Damouse
06-03-2006 9:02 PM


Re:
"you DO know that magnesium, titanium, and alluminum aren't alloys, right?"
I was naming the 'unusual' metals found. Tomorrow, as I have said, I will try to get the reports, and we can see what was found

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Tennessee R
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Message 283 of 303 (317400)
06-03-2006 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by sidelined
06-03-2006 9:17 PM


Re:
Damouse Said: "If theres proof that Noah made titanium rivets for his ship, ill convert. Heck ill go down to the local church and eat the cross bit by bit."
sidelined said: "I will bring the condiments and join you on the meal since Titanium was not discovered until 1791,Magnesium in 1808 and Aluminium in 1827."
I don't understand? Do you believe that Noah's Ark even existed? Are you Christians? Seems like a little disrespect (Maybe a lot) on the "eat'n the cross at the church" bit.
Of course, crosses aren't a christian symbol, so I guess it doesn't bother me much. Even so, just seems like that kind of talk would only come from unbelievers.
And if you don't believe in the Bible, then what are you doing posting about Noah's Ark?

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Tennessee R
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Message 284 of 303 (317402)
06-03-2006 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Coragyps
06-03-2006 9:51 PM


Re:
"How long do you think magnesium would last in seawater? It's used as a sacrificial anode on boats sometimes....do you know what that means? It gets eaten by corrosion to save other parts.
Not real good for rivets."
I hope I'm wrong, then, because that's a great point!
Thanks for that information.
I'll let you know hopefully tomorrow.

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Tennessee R
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Message 289 of 303 (317447)
06-04-2006 1:55 AM
Reply to: Message 285 by jar
06-03-2006 11:30 PM


Re:
jar said:
"It has nothing to do with whether one is a Christian or not."
What has nothing to do with it? My question has everything to do with it. In fact, that was the nature of nearly my whole question. But it wasn't addressed to you, so don't take it personally.
I knew Ron Wyatt. And I've known some very wrong men.
And I don't prefer to slander them very much after they are dead.
I can state the facts about them, but there are no facts in your calling him "more likely just a snakeoil salesman."
"So the Christian answer to your question is Yes, Noah's ark never existed"
Now you are calling the Bible a liar. Call man a liar (even falsely) and I can still give you some respect.
But call the Bible a liar? I draw the line.
But, here, perhaps I should clarify your statement one more time.
Based on your previous statement, I can reasonably assume that you don't believe the Bible.
Is that true?

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Tennessee R
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Message 290 of 303 (317451)
06-04-2006 2:09 AM
Reply to: Message 286 by Buzsaw
06-03-2006 11:45 PM


Re: Backwards
Buzsaw said:
"Hi TR and a hearty welcome to EvC. I met Wyatt a number of years ago and heard him lecture. I have his ark book and in it if I remember correctly he says that likely Moses, being Egyptian educated, used Egyptian measurements rather than Hebrew. According to him, they are different and the Egyptian length comes out right, but the sides would be splayed out from deterioriation, showing wider than would be when the craft were intact.
I believe his site is the real thing, but likely there would be little if any petrification, the form being more of an impression in the area caused by the rotted craft being so massive."
Hello, Buzsaw and thank you for the welcome. It is amazing that no welcome came from anyone else. Sorry, just couldn't resist.
Yes, you are entirely right about Moses likely using the Royal Egyptian Cubit. It is 20.6 inches. Making the boat-shaped object exactly 300. (Some people here still don't get it.)
You are right again, when a ship falls apart, it splays. The sides fall out and the top falls in.
Well, it is in a mudflow, so (and everyone tell me if this is right) would that cause petrification on the areas that were covered with the mud?

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Tennessee R
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Message 292 of 303 (317456)
06-04-2006 2:17 AM
Reply to: Message 287 by ringo
06-04-2006 12:17 AM


Ringo said:
"You miss my point. It has nothing to do with being an "even number".
In your own words, the original measurement was approximate."
You still haven't heard what I said. Please read carefully:
Ron Wyatt said he measured this boat-shaped object in the mountains of Ararat using laser measurement and that it measured out to be EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY (And I'm talking about EXACTLY) 300 Cubits long. EXACTLY.
Of course, you believe that Ron Wyatt was a liar, and there's a rule that everyone can think and say what they want.
So, maybe you don't believe that Ron really performed those measurements.
Is this the case?
Please tell me if you understand what's been said so far.

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Tennessee R
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Message 294 of 303 (317458)
06-04-2006 2:26 AM
Reply to: Message 291 by sidelined
06-04-2006 2:12 AM


Re:
To Sidelined:
Finally, I DO understand.
You think that the Bible is full of lies.
How can I possibly discuss Biblical things with you when you don't believe the Bible?
So, obviously, you can't be convicted as a Christian, because you don't know what to believe. For all you know, Jesus did not exist, right?
Of course, you are going to call everyone a liar that claims to have discovered Noah's Ark.
Finally I understand. This is not so much as a personal attack on Ron Wyatt, as it is on the BIBLE.
Thank you for your help in this issue.
Edited by Tennessee R, : No reason given.

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