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Author Topic:   Wyatt's Museum and the shape of Noah's Ark
Bonobojones
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Message 173 of 303 (103936)
04-29-2004 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by RAZD
04-27-2004 12:39 PM


Re: More bad ideas
Maybe Noah used big honking Dorade boxes on his "yacht". Can ya see him now, topside, polishing those humungus cowl vents.
Whatever needs to take a decent boatbuilding course, with some naval architecture thrown in.

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Bonobojones
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Message 181 of 303 (104115)
04-30-2004 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 176 by jar
04-30-2004 12:01 AM


Re: More bad ideas
jar. If you are talking about the Med sailors of antiquity, well Dr. Ballard can tell you. Lots of them ended up om the bottom. Storms in the Med can get quite hairy,

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Bonobojones
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Message 182 of 303 (104116)
04-30-2004 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by johnfolton
04-30-2004 12:48 AM


Re:
Whatever. It would not be a matter of just shoveling the waste overboard. They would have had to shovel it into buckets, haul it up 1, 2, 3 levels, cross the deck in gale winds (remember the fetch) and heave it over the lee rail. Hopefully, the lee rail.
There was no moon pool. A hole in the bottom of a wooden vessel weakens the structure. By trying to install one, you sever her backbone.
Anyway, there was no Deluge.
BTW have you ever pumped the bilges of even a small boat, say 40', with leaky seams?

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Bonobojones
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Message 183 of 303 (104122)
04-30-2004 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by johnfolton
04-30-2004 1:19 AM


Re:
Whatever. Big stones are not sea anchors, no matter how many times you state that thy are. I believe that at one point, somewhare, someone posted a photo of a boat streaming a sea anchor.
Could you please show a link to your 1000's of dead animals in ice and mats of trees, etc, post flood?
Thanks.

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Bonobojones
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Message 188 of 303 (104318)
04-30-2004 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Bill Birkeland
04-30-2004 12:47 PM


Re: Arctic Muck
Thank you Bill.

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Message 192 of 303 (104436)
04-30-2004 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by jar
04-30-2004 9:17 PM


jar. He just doesn't get it. He can't seem to understand anything about surviving the sea. And doesn't wish to learn. Notice he just does not buy the sea droge, but prefers the rocks. I guess all the sailors through history were doing it wrong. Maybe the Hiscocks, Joshua Slocum, the Pardys and others should have taken note of the "proper" way.

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Bonobojones
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Message 223 of 303 (105039)
05-03-2004 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by RAZD
05-01-2004 2:44 AM


Re: sea anchor, sea anchor run
I can't strand talking to a wall and whatever is a very large one.
Got your email RAZD, but reply got an undeliverable message.
Last time on this thread for me....
Rocks are not sea anchors! The ark never was! The Flood has no evidence to support it!
Ah, better. Off to get my boat ready to splash.

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Bonobojones
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Message 225 of 303 (105043)
05-03-2004 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by jar
05-03-2004 6:27 PM


Re: sea anchor, sea anchor run
Well, I guess that as a house builder does not make a good boatbuilder, then a universe architect makes a poor naval architect?

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Bonobojones
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Message 227 of 303 (105049)
05-03-2004 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by jar
05-03-2004 6:41 PM


Re: sea anchor, sea anchor run
Almost as good as whatever's submarine ark.
Ye gads! I can't stand it!
Remember the song, "They're Coming to Take Me Away! Ha Ha!"?
They're coming to take me away,
Haha, they're coming to take me away,
Ho ho, hee hee, ha ha,
To the funny farm
Where Life is Beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see
Those Nice Young Men
In their Clean White Coats
And they're coming to take me AWAY,
HA HAAAAA
Poor guy must've been trying to talk sense to a Arkologist!

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Bonobojones
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Message 231 of 303 (105072)
05-03-2004 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by johnfolton
05-03-2004 7:56 PM


Re:
The sea anchor holds the bow into the waves, yes.
Rocks are a sea anchor, no.
It is wind and waves that act upon a hull. A low-rider, as you so eloquently put it, means low freeboard and will be swamped, submerged and pounded to death. Please, before you come back with any more stupid statements, pick up a book on boat design, yacht design or naval architecture. Hydrodynamics is hydrodynamics. reality is reality.
Your dangling rocks would be acting like a pendulum, effecting the stability in a negative manner.
Tell you what. Build yourself a scale model of your idea of the ark. Plank on frame or bread and butter construction, your choice. Dangle a bunch of rocks under it, take it to a large pool and get as many fat kids as you can find to jump cannonballs around it, then report back. Video would be nice. Oh, yeah, don't forget the giant fans to simulate the wicked winds the immense fetch would generate.
Ah, why do I bother.
OK, yer right. All my training is wrong. I'm gonna go home and destroy all my design work. (even though they all float fine)Dangling rocks! Yeah, that's the ticket! Rocks!! HHEEEHEEEEHEEEEE!(time for the thorazine)
BTW you do, of course, have some primary source you can cite for the gigantic Chinese vessels and how they were built, eh.
Try looking here and learning something
http://www.amazon.com/...=1-9/ref=sr_1_9/002-0905774-5555268
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Bonobojones
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Message 233 of 303 (105093)
05-03-2004 9:35 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by johnfolton
05-03-2004 9:28 PM


Re:
Sailors of antiquity used rocks as anchors. As in to anchor the boat. They were very inefficent, so the Romans developed the ancestor of the fluked anchor.
Hydrodynamics of an ark??? What pray tell, is that? Can you show a source so I may enlighten myself?

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Bonobojones
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Message 236 of 303 (105096)
05-03-2004 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by Coragyps
05-03-2004 9:36 PM


Re:
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. Now that's funny. Sadly true, but funny.

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Bonobojones
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Message 239 of 303 (105126)
05-04-2004 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 238 by RAZD
05-04-2004 1:09 AM


Re: Stones are for Broaches
Maybe we should give up. After all, he has all the true answers.

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Bonobojones
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Message 243 of 303 (105324)
05-04-2004 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by johnfolton
05-04-2004 5:10 PM


Great Caesar's Ghost!! It's like trying to reason with my three year old!
And the winner of this year's Cliff Claven award is.....

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Bonobojones
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Message 248 of 303 (105380)
05-04-2004 9:32 PM
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05-04-2004 7:08 PM


jar, yer right. My boy does seem to have the ability to learn.

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