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Author Topic:   Wyatt's Museum and the shape of Noah's Ark
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Message 25 of 303 (101588)
04-21-2004 3:39 PM
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04-19-2004 10:49 AM


just curious why
you say there is no evidence to date fossils?

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Message 31 of 303 (101683)
04-21-2004 8:41 PM


Just curious but
whay do you say that
quote:
Without any C-14 the paleontologists can not date to fossil imprint.
?

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Message 41 of 303 (101844)
04-22-2004 12:05 PM


Still curious yellow...
why you would make such a statement as...
quote:
JonF, To date not the imprint but the sediments to determine imprint age, is like dating the tire imprint by the sediments you drive over,
... since that is simply NOT what happens.
To maintain the logic of your tire track analogy, let's consider dinosaur foot prints. They, like your tire track, are just an imprint in the sand.
Now when such tracks are found, how do people go about dating them? Do they say, "Look, those tracks are the same age as the sand or mud they are in?"
Of course they don't.
Instead, they look at the age of the strata above where the tracks were found and the strata below where the tracks were found. It is a reasonable assumption that the tracks were made after the layer below, and before the layer above. It has nothing to so with the age of the layer they rest on except...they do rest on that layer.
I am very glad that you introduced the analogy of tire tracks because it is very important. In several posts you have alluded to some liquification, running mud, flood and such nonsense as a method for placing fossils in a way that will allow us to misinterpret their age.
However, as hard as I try, I can find no methodology where fluid dynamics can pick up a footprint that was made recently and transport that imprint to some other location.
No way, No how.

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Message 96 of 303 (102643)
04-25-2004 7:59 PM


As far back as message 41
I suggested a way that even the tire imprints that Whatever tossed out could be dated.
He has never responded.

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Message 110 of 303 (102693)
04-26-2004 12:46 AM
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04-25-2004 11:38 PM


Re: As far back as message 41
Whatever, whatever
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Message 164 of 303 (103589)
04-29-2004 12:05 AM
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04-28-2004 11:55 PM


Re: Ahhhh...
Whatever
You need to do a little more homework on the Twin Towers as well.

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Message 176 of 303 (104006)
04-30-2004 12:01 AM
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04-29-2004 11:53 PM


Re: More bad ideas
RAZD
I realize this is slightly off topic but whatever happened to all the other boats, those that had been designed and used to sail the Med and other seas? What happened to all the experienced sailors from all over the world that had been sailing in storms and seas, carrying freight and animals all over the world?
I never have quite been able to understand all that.

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Message 184 of 303 (104126)
04-30-2004 10:13 AM
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04-30-2004 9:50 AM


Re: More bad ideas
Them's the ones as well as all of the other boats everywhere else.
As a Christian, one of the strongest inducements for me to see the Bible as simply a collection of stories, parables and guidelines with only incidental historic significance, is the Flood Myth.
Here we have a vessel, of absolutely horrid design, built by someone with no experience, sailed by someone of no experience, trying to fill an absurd function that supposedly rides out this massive deluge. Yet at the time, there were folk saling already. There were experienced sailors and boat builders. There were existing vessels manned by experienced crews that sailed the Med and other seas and were successful enough that it was reasonable to support commerce. Yet supposedly not one of those vessels, not one of those crews, made it through.
Frankly, a dug out canoe, or a papyrus raft would have been far more sea worthy than the Ark. In addition, it would have possible to build a flotilla of rafts with far less effort in far less time that would have carred a far greater mass or quantity of animals than would have ever been possible with the Ark.

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Message 190 of 303 (104430)
04-30-2004 9:17 PM


Whatever.
The stone anchors simply cannot work. Forget about how long the ropes are, it just doesn't matter.
The problem is that as waves approach you WANT the bow to rise. Anchors like the stones, no matter how they are used or attached will pull the bow down and cause the wave to break over the vessel. One wave and the ARK with the anchor stones sinks. Period.
I cannot imagine how any Christian can take the Flood story as anything more than myth and fable.

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Message 193 of 303 (104437)
04-30-2004 9:53 PM
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04-30-2004 9:37 PM


It ain't the direction. It is that it will hold the bow down so the wave breaks over the bow and swamps the boat, which is how you make a boat founder.
It just won't work.
Whatever.
The technology for boats and rafts goes back to the stone age. By the time Noah came along people had been using boats for hundreds of thousands of years. So there were lots of people out there that knew how to build and sail boats. There were lots of boats and rafts around that certainly would have weathered the deluge far better than the ARK.
But the description of the ARK just makes no sense. It is not stable, it would break in half, it could not be built using the materials mentioned and if it was built it couldn't hold the cargo claimed.
There is no physical record anywhere of a global flood, no way to explain the mechanics of how it happened or where the water went after the fact.
It does not explain how animals that are unique to a given location ever got there. No way to explain how animals got to Australia or how Noah gathered them in the first place.
If GOD exists, and I believe he does, he will still exist once folk stop trying to make a really neat story appear true. If overnight all Christians, Jews and Muslems suddenly woke up to find that the Flood story is not fact but simply Myth, it would still say absolutely nothing about whether or not GOD exists.

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Message 196 of 303 (104444)
04-30-2004 10:17 PM
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04-30-2004 10:10 PM


One last time and then you are on your own.
NO!
It will not work.
P.S. Ron Wyatt really must of had someone quite knowledgeable to come up with the anchor stones on the bow (quite interesting),
NO!
Only an idiot that has NO knowledge of what makes a boat float could come up with such a dumb idea.
Edited to correct spelling errors.
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Message 199 of 303 (104450)
04-30-2004 10:39 PM
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04-30-2004 10:36 PM


That's it guy. You're on your own.

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Message 216 of 303 (104618)
05-01-2004 7:14 PM
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05-01-2004 7:10 PM


Re:
I think he has a point Raz that you really need to admit. The ARK as he describes would behave exactly like the Submarine. At the first wave it would dive to several hundred feet beneath the surface.
About the only difference I can see is that it would never return to the surface.

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Message 224 of 303 (105042)
05-03-2004 6:27 PM
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05-03-2004 6:23 PM


Re: sea anchor, sea anchor run
The ark never was!
And if it was, GOD was a failure as a marine engineer.

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Message 226 of 303 (105046)
05-03-2004 6:41 PM
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05-03-2004 6:34 PM


Re: sea anchor, sea anchor run
One thing that has always intrigued me is that the description of the ARK is far closer to that of a house than any vessel. But has anyone seen just how well houses do as naval water craft when caught in a flood?

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