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there is no place in law for morality. of course not. because it specifically infringes on the rights inherent to necessarily an entire group of people. it infringes on their rights. it may be the right thing. maybe it would be 'good' to kill all people with anti-social tendencies. but it's not the "right" thing to do. most regulations are amoral. specifically, business regulations are related to preventing businesses from infringing on the rights of other businesses and individuals. that's entirely possible.

All laws are based upon morality. Your response makes absolutely no sense in the context of everything else you said. In fact, the very next thing you wrote in your post, when I asked you why eugenics should be outlawed: 1. The same exact thing applies to infanticide, which in your previous breath you said should be legal. (I'm making the bold assumption that you would agree that killing two-year-olds "infringes on their rights.")

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2. Your argument that "it's not the "right" thing to do" is entirely a moral argument.3. Your anti-eugenics and pro-infanticide arguments clash, since infanticide would likely be practiced in part in a way that would be considered eugenics. I see quite the opposite. The simple fact that you talk about "rights" in your example demonstrates that the class of regulations are based in morality.To summarize your statements: Eugenics is immoral, therefore it should be internationally banned. Abortion and infanticide are moral, therefore should be permitted. I still don't understand how you reconcile abortion and infanticide practiced in the name of eugenics...Apparently you only see moral arguments as relevant when you are the one making them - until you resolve your personal hyprocrisy, I suggest you stop attacking others for applying their own morality to public law.

So it's really the sex that bothers you?

you do seem obsessed with it.

two year olds are unenfranchised. they have no rights. i put "right" in quotes for a reason. it means that it does not fulfill the compromise between rights. no. eugenics is a policy put on by a governing body or opposing group. infanticide would be a parental decision. entirely different.This message has been edited by brennakimi, 04-15-2006 05:32 PM

generally.the real problem is that religious people simply want to tell the rest of us when and how we can have sex. and if we choose to break their rules we have to pay the consequences they deem necessary. if they could inject everyone who has premarital sex with an std cocktail, they would.

That seems to me to be at the heart of it. Whenever I see someone argue against abortion the "evil woman" card always gets played.

yep. not only are we sluts, but if we try to be responsible about our procreation, instead of squirting out hungry mouths every month, we're murderers.

You replied to the wrong post, FYI.

yes I noticed after I posted sorry.

Yes, I do have an opinion. I am convinced your right now.... Maybe if you spent a little more time with him, to find out if his seed is wrecthed or not, you wouldn't have to worry so much about it. And there are things that can happen as a result. I guess that's where the expression right-to-life came from. It's killing life.
Life you started from selfish needs. SO is cutting you head off for a headache.I think you should give up on the medical procedure BS. By your own definition it is a moral decision first. I hate tradition, God has nothing to do with it, and f@#k James Dobson.

No the real problem is when YOU HAVE SEX, YOU CAN GET PREGNANT!!!Has nothing to do with being an evil woman.This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 04-16-2006 07:33 AM

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It's killing life.

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When is it life?At conception? At implantation? When it has a heartbeat? When it has a CNS? When it can survive outside the mother's body?

yes. and you want to tell me that i can't have sex until i'm married. and you think that if i do and i get pregnant i should be punished with it. a child as a form of punishment. that's a great way for him to grow up.

no. if a man beats you, you leave him. what kind of moron are you? yeah and taking antibiotics is killing life and i do that as quickly as possible.
it's not alive. and even if it was. i have the right to give permission to anyione or anything that wants to use my body, including a fetus. gj jeeneeuuuuhhhhsss.
medical procedure. A series of steps taken to accomplish an end: a medical procedure; evacuation procedures.moral smoral. i don't care what kind of decision it is. it's not yours to make. you don't have a uterus so you don't have control over one. you haven't a choice.