rat mothers

No, you did.

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A rat's fetus is just as precious to a rat, as a human fetus is to a mother.

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That is the point that is being addressed. It appears you picked a bad method of trying to make a point. Time to admit that, eh?

I don't care when "life" begins; I care when a human life begins. A human is not a bag of fluids and tissues. A human is only "there" when there is a conscious, sentient, individual present.When there isn't one present (brain dead after an accident for example) there is no "person" to kill.

Why the rant, Schraf?This is totally consistent. The religious zealots believe that atheists have to be immoral (or amoral) monsters because they don't believe there is anyone (thing) to make them behave. They themselves demonstrate that while that is not true for a large fraction of atheists it is true for the cultists to a great degree.They HAVE to have a morality imposed on them externally. They have not internal voice to tell them how to behave. That is they have no conscience.So if there are no laws and punishments for an action they may well, when it is convenient, take that action. Since that is true of them they believe it must be true of all.