This topic was doomed to spread into general discussions of socialism and who knows what else. I think it's running free, beyond any possiblity of moderator guidence.
That said, I think the content of your message is far to significant to get buried in the mess. Suggest you recycle it into its own "Coffee House" topic.
Moose (operating in the semi-admin mode)
Added by edit: That new topic might be a good place for you to throw a little AdminSchraf weight around.
This message has been edited by minnemooseus, 11-10-2005 08:56 PM