Is this the answer to our energy problem?

Page Not Found | The GuardianSeems like some reputable people are backing these extraordinary claims. Note the following from the link above.

Hi, Rm, a bit more detailBrilliant Light Power | Brilliant Light Power has developed a new commercially competitive, non-polluting, plasma-based primary source of massive power from the conversion of hydrogen atoms of water molecules to dark matter, the previously unidentified matter that makes up most of the mass of the universe.Brilliant Light Power | Brilliant Light Power has developed a new commercially competitive, non-polluting, plasma-based primary source of massive power from the conversion of hydrogen atoms of water molecules to dark matter, the previously unidentified matter that makes up most of the mass of the universe.

Anyone know anything about this?At the moment, I'm thinking Fleischmann and Pons...Looking at the websites, there appears to be virtually no peer-reviewed analysis of the theory.

Yeah I was thinking cold margarine too. They claim (Brilliant Light Power | Brilliant Light Power has developed a new commercially competitive, non-polluting, plasma-based primary source of massive power from the conversion of hydrogen atoms of water molecules to dark matter, the previously unidentified matter that makes up most of the mass of the universe.) Page not found | Brilliant Light Power
lists the articles (most by Mills)The question is whether these are more than letters and concepts rather than results reports.Life just got interesting eh? Nothing here about how he induces the electron into the new orbital status to release the energy - you would think that if it were energy releasing that it would occur naturally and have been observed before now.

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I'm thinking stock market manipulation scheme. Make it sound good, attract investors, then fly the coop.I hope I'm wrong, but I would suggest extreme caution about these reports.

Thanks for the list, I missed that. Yeah, I wish I still had my Uni library on hand to browse the SCI files (citation indices). Are they on line these days? I must check. well, it's catalyzed there Precisely my thoughts. If it's a true lower energy state, anomalous photons would surely have been noticed in abundance? I mean, we have been staring at hydrogen for some time now!

Just a couple of points here.Blacklight was founded in 1991 to exploit this technology. Commercial products are still said to be years away.There is no mention in the story of any successful replications of the claimed results.

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At the moment, I'm thinking Fleischmann and Pons...

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Ha ha ha ha. I was thinking the same.Added by edit:
It just occurred to me: if a hydrogen atom can exist in a lower energy state (which is what these gentlemen are claiming), why isn't most hydrogen already in this lower state?This message has been edited by Chiroptera, 07-Nov-2005 02:13 PM

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It is possible that there is a potential barrier producing a false zero-point. Energy would be required to lift the electron state over the barrier, and this energy could then be released as it drops to its true zero-point. This would be difficult in normal QM, as you cannot simply add an arbitrary amount of energy to a state. They talk of some catalyst, but what that is I do not know. It is difficult to analyse because it is outside the normal model of the hydrogen atom.

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This is a close relation to the perpertual motion machine genre of flim-flam. It differs from the cold fusion fiasco in that Fleishman and Pons were respected scientists (at the time) who actually believed they had experimental evidence of cold fusion. They went public prematurely because they believed they were in competition for priority with Stephen Jones, and they then fell victim to their own belief that they were truly on to something, resulting in persistent claims that no other experimenters could confirm.Randell Mills certainly believes his own claims, so he cannot be considered a flim-flam artist. He's published extensively in the technical literature, and he claims to have developed prototypes of his powercell. But he also claims to have overturned quantum theory.He calls his theory The Grand Unified Theory of Classical Quantum Mechanics. Names of this nature tell us that Mr. Mills is likely taking advantage of the "There's a sucker born every minute" principle to fund his company, Blacklight Power. (Long time EvC Forum members might recall Peter Borger and his Grand Unified Theory of Biology, shortened to GUToB.)But even if Mr. Mills hasn't overturned quantum theory, that doesn't mean his claims of discovering a new energy source are false, though the likely bogus scientific claims do not lend much confidence. But we're nearing the end of 2005, and Mr. Mills claims of a demonstration model by the year 2000 expired long ago.--Percy

It would have to be a pretty deep barrier if hydrogen atoms cannot simply tunnel through it in short order.Oh yeah, I forgot, this disproves quantum mechanics.At any rate, ionized hydrogen can exist in any possible postive energy state -- surely we would expect a certain fraction of hydrogen to be in this lower energy state after recombination? Unless this energy barrier really was almost infinite! But then, what is being "discovered" is a new, previously unknown force to give rise to this barrier.

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"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

Exactly. As soon as I saw the unified boll*x I realised that there were two realistic options:1) He has no clue, and has no effect2) He has no clue, but has stumbled upon something monumentalDespite my personal view that P(2) is vanishingly small, it wouldn't do to dismiss it out of hand. Then again, I think I would be fairly safe dismissing it

Oh, absolutely. There is no way this could be a conventional barrier, but as you say... I'm just being generous

If it is real, who has licensed this technology?Money talks.

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