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Author Topic:   Socialism in Venezuela has made illiteracy a thing of the past
nwr
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Message 18 of 193 (257535)
11-07-2005 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by randman
11-07-2005 4:32 PM


Re: so are the evos here socialists???
I'm not a socialist. But I'm not anti-socialist.
Any political system can have excesses. There have at times been excesses of socialism. At present our economy is being undermined by the excesses of neo-conservatism.

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Message 91 of 193 (257969)
11-08-2005 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by mick
11-08-2005 8:15 PM


Re: literacy and socialism - back on topic
Is literacy important, ...
I think it obviously is.
Is socialism better able to provide literacy than capitalism?
What's awkward about this question, is that "socialism" is a broad term.
There are certainly conservatives in USA who argue that public schools are socialist, and we should discontinue them. There is a continuing effort from the right to undermine public schools with various alternatives (voucher programs, for example).

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nwr
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Message 100 of 193 (257991)
11-08-2005 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by mick
11-08-2005 8:37 PM


Re: public schools are socialist and should be discontinued
Out of interest, could you give me some names, or a link? I mean to people who think public schools should be discontinued.
http://www.issues2000.org/...Libertarian_Party_Education.htm
PublicEye.org - The Website of Political Research Associates
Public School Movement vs. the Libertarian Tradition | Mises Institute
On the other hand, here is a link to a poll of attitudes toward public education. It seems to indicate good support.
http://www.pdkintl.org/kappan/kp9809-1.htm
... and in the US around 10% enrolled in private schools.
What the hell happens to the remaining 90%???
Some of the objection appears to be to the idea of paying taxes to support public schools. Presumably those with this view don't care what happens to the 90%.
Others would probably favor church schools, perhaps with the churchs paying the cost for students who cannot afford it. The principle here, as far as I can tell, is that they don't mind paying for the schools as long as they have the right to indoctrinate the children with their religious views. Many from the fundamentalist churches are offended by what they see as the teaching of atheism and/or secular humanism

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Message 103 of 193 (258010)
11-08-2005 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by bobbins
11-08-2005 9:44 PM


Re: Congrats to Venezuela - long post ahead warning
I posted 2nd on this thread and mentioned that Mick would take a hit for this and, lo and behold, the figures are argued, questioned and not even grudging admiration for an achievement independently assessed by UNESCO.
For those of us with scientific instincts, there is always some basic skepticism. We should be cautious about indicating admiration, particularly if we haven't taken the time to study the details ourselves.
I certainly applaud Venezuela for solving literacy problems. I don't have any idealogical objections to socialism used appropriately (not taken to excesses). I'm a pragmatists - go with what works.
My reading was that Chiroptera, Coragyps, Ringo316 were all neutral or favorable to what is happening in Venezuela.

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