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RAZD
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Message 76 of 247 (136883)
08-25-2004 10:51 PM
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08-25-2004 10:16 PM


Re: Maybe whatever will answer my question here?
we'll see
... holding virtual breath .... not

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RAZD
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Message 77 of 247 (136907)
08-25-2004 11:50 PM
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08-25-2004 10:51 PM


Bush campaigned on his military "record" for 2000
The problem is that it is just more lies.
From Page not found | The Nation
A group of veterans motivated by 30-years of resentment accuse John Kerry of exaggerating his Vietnam wartime service, and their attack makes the front pages and cable gabfests. But when a news report showed that George W. Bush had overstated his military experience, Bush escaped without a scratch.
I am not referring to the Bush's missing time in the Air National Guard. That episode did receive much attention--though only in the past year, not when the issue was first raised during the 2000 presidential campaign. Back then Bush was disingenuous about his Guard service. In his campaign autobiography, he wrote that he had completed his pilot training in 1970 while assigned to an air base in Houston and "continued flying with my unit for the next several years." But as the Boston Globe revealed, he stopped flying during his final 18 months of service in 1972 and 1973. Bush had been grounded after failing to take a flight exam, and had won permission to train with a unit in Alabama where he did no flying. There are no records proving he showed up for duty in Alabama, but Bush has insisted he did.
Putting aside the controversy over Bush's Air National Guard service (or dereliction of duty), there was another instance when Bush clearly did not speak truthfully about his military record. In 1978, Bush, while running for Congress in West Texas, produced campaign literature that claimed he had served in the US Air Force. According to a 1999 Associated Press report, Bush's congressional campaign ran a pullout ad in the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal that declared he had served "in the US Air Force and the Texas Air National Guard where he piloted the F-102 aircraft."
Bush lost that congressional race, but twenty-one years later, the AP questioned him about the ad. The news outlet had a good reason to do so. Bush had never served in the Air Force. He had only been in the Air National Guard. But when AP asked Bush if he had been justified in claiming service in the Air Force, Bush, then the governor of Texas and a presidential candidate, said, "I think so, yes. I was in the Air Force for over 600 days." Karen Hughes, his spokeswoman, maintained that when Bush attended flight school for the Air National Guard from 1968 to 1969 he was considered to be on active duty for the Air Force and that several times afterward he had been placed on alert, which also qualified as active duty for the Air Force. All told, she said, Bush had logged 607 days of training and alerts. "As an officer [in the Air National Guard]," she told the AP, "he was serving on active duty in the Air Force."
But this explanation was wrong. Says who? The Air Force. As the Associated Press reported,
The Air Force says that Air National Guard members are considered 'guardsmen on active duty' while receiving pilot training. They are not, however, counted as members of the overall active-duty Air Force.
Anyone in the Air National Guard is always considered a guardsmen and not a member of the active-duty Air Force, according to an Air Force spokeswoman in the Pentagon. A National Guard member may be called to active duty for pilot training or another temporary assignment and receive active-duty pay at the time, but they remain Guard members.
The AP report said, "It may be a question of semantics." But today I checked with two spokespersons for the US Air Force, and each confirmed that an active-duty member of the Air National Guard is not considered a member of the US Air Force. "If a member of the Air National Guard is in pilot training," says Captain Cristin Lesperance of the US Air Force media relations office, "they would remain on the Guard books. They would be counted as Guard, not as an active-duty Air Force member."
So where was all the hollering about Bush's exaggeration of his military service? True, Bush was hyping his military record way back in 1978. But he repeated and defended the misrepresentation in 1999 while campaigning for the White House. And, no doubt, Kerry's critics would consider any remark Kerry made twenty-six years ago fair game. Admiral Roy Hoffman, a founder of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, recently said that his group is not politically motivated: "It would make no difference if John Kerry were a Republican, Democrat or an Independent, Swift Boat veterans would still be speaking the truth concerning John Kerry's military service record." But are any of Kerry's accusers willing to criticize Bush for falsely representing his service?
So, O'Neil, how about getting on this one eh? (holds virtual breath again .... heh)
I have trouble believing that anyone could honestly vote for the man

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Message 78 of 247 (136919)
08-26-2004 12:20 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by RAZD
08-25-2004 10:51 PM


Re: Maybe whatever will answer my question here?
George is an american hero, ever since his calmness in fire after the 911 affair, his handling of China when they took control of our plane, North Korea threatening George to send a nuke our way, while George calmly developed lasers to shoot them down against UN directives, with complaints by China, & Russia. Now North Korea is not an issue cause of the leadership of George W Bush. We are extremely blessed to have someone of Georges leadership, Kerry for whatever reasons, has shown to be a traitor, aiding north vietnamese propaganda, selling hardened chip satellight technology to china, ever since his leaving the service, he continually has been aiding and comforting the enemy, why, like his attacks on Rumsfeld, one of America's finest, likely cause Rumsfeld has no place in Kerrys New world order administration that will be about putting American soldiers under UN terrorist generals control, can one imagine how many soldiers would of perished in Iraq, Afganistan if they were controlled by Iraq generals under UN control, and not under Rumsfeld directives.
P.S. Truly Kerry attacks on Rumsfeld, while sounding a bit like his Vietnamese days of aiding comfort to the enemy, which is a crime of treason, etc... Kerry is not the man to lead the nation, not only is he not a hero, he is guilty of treason, in my opinion. To be aiding comfort to the enemy, Iraq prisoners, and etc... He didn't care much for our prisoners in the Vietnam war, calling our soldiers baby killers, and cause of this treason Kerry lost all credibility of being an american hero, though you could call him a communist hero, in the North Vietnamese museum.
P.S. Why do you think the Vets that knew Kerry that are not Republican, so fearful of a Kerry administration, do they not fear he will put our troops under terrorist nations generals to command, under United Nations directive's, and who will foot the bill, but american taxpayers. It's far better to vote for GWB who has consitently been protecting American interests, against United Nations directives, that to vote for Kerry who would put American citizens where World Law would be soverign over US law, with UN troops under terrorist generals command not bound by US law, and our citizens not protected by US law where UN World Law will be soverign, etc...
Razd, There are two roads, one protect us and ours, and the other gives us and our to others control. Kerry is simply a pawn of the New World Order, which is why he has no interest in being attentive within the Intelligence Committe meetings, cause he plans to send ours to the UN to fight terrorist, by using terrorist to command our troops, to take his treason to a higher level, etc... George record is not perfect, but Kerry's is attrocious, etc...

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crashfrog
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Message 79 of 247 (136922)
08-26-2004 12:28 AM
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08-26-2004 12:20 AM


ever since his calmness in fire after the 911 affair
Heh, "calm", that's one way to put it.
Another way to put it would be "displaying a criminal disinterest in the situation."

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RAZD
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Message 80 of 247 (136923)
08-26-2004 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by johnfolton
08-26-2004 12:20 AM


Re: Maybe whatever will answer my question here?
Razd, There are two roads, one protect us and ours, and the other gives us and our to others control. Kerry is simply a pawn of the New World Order ...
be careful of what you wish for.
and your militia \ survivalist paranoia is showing.
yeah, bush is a hero all right ... couldn't stand up from the reading in the classroom until his pants dried. then turned tail to run and hide. why does this sound like his ANG "service" ... ? boy, I know a lot of heros by your criteria, and those that actually entered into combat must be mythological gods by comparison.

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Message 81 of 247 (136928)
08-26-2004 12:41 AM
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08-26-2004 12:20 AM


Re: Maybe whatever will answer my question here?
Whatever, where are the WMD in Iraq?
Who told us that he knew where the WMD's in Iraq were in the run up to the war?
Where is Osama bin Laden?
What has happened with the war lords in Afghanistan since we invaded?
What were the nationalities of almost all of the 9/11 WTC bombers?
What family in the middle east is the Bush family very, very close to?
What has happened to the national debt in the last 4 years?
What is GWB's military record like?
Did he ever have a problem with drugs or alcohol?
What kind of success did he have as a businessman?
What economic group does his proposed tax cut help in the form of reducing their tax burden?
What economic group does his proposed tax cut hurt in the form of increasing their tax burden?
What did he do for 7 minutes after he learned that the second plane had hit the WTC?

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RAZD
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Message 82 of 247 (136929)
08-26-2004 12:41 AM
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08-26-2004 12:28 AM


what fire?

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jar
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Message 83 of 247 (136938)
08-26-2004 12:58 AM
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08-26-2004 12:41 AM


Re: Maybe whatever will answer my question here?
Man are you a dreamer. I've been trying to get whatever to simply answer the question "Does George Bush enforce the laws of the land" with no success. You think you can get answers to a bunch of questions?
You didn't even ask what the number one commodity of Afghanistan was or who guarded and protected those poppy fields?

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nator
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Message 84 of 247 (136939)
08-26-2004 1:10 AM
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08-26-2004 12:58 AM


Re: Maybe whatever will answer my question here?
Well, yeah, I'm a dreamer.
Silence can be filled with meaning, you know?
I didn't ask a lot of things, it's true.
I thought I'd let everyone else add to the list.

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Message 85 of 247 (136959)
08-26-2004 4:45 AM
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08-26-2004 12:20 AM


George is an american hero, ever since his calmness in fire after the 911 affair
Hahahahahahahahahaha... Yeah, I remember Superman and Batman sitting around for pages, reading books like My Pet Goat, after the Supervillain has come crashing through the wall.
Your qualifications for hero are well noted... I wonder if we can get Don Knotts to play Bush in the official 9-11 movie: The Shakiest Gun in the Westwing.
which is a crime of treason
Yah know even Bush is stating that Kerry served admirably. Are you not on the same page? Does this make Bush an accessory to treason?
You oughta watch baseless charges like that, there is such a thing as slander.
Kerry is simply a pawn of the New World Order
And this one has my head spinning. George Bush Sr was the one who BEGAN the New World Order. Remember, not only did he champion it, he pretty much put the term in common usage?
So are you saying that Kerry is following in GW's dad's nefarious international plot, while GW is fighting it?
Should we rush out and arrest GW Sr?
George record is not perfect
Hey, give him a break, he has failed at nearly 100% of everything he has ever done, including being president. Heck he couldn't even win the election fairly and without the help of some nudge. wink friends. He may not be perfect, but with a record like that he must be trying pretty hard.

holmes
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Message 86 of 247 (137001)
08-26-2004 10:58 AM
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08-26-2004 4:45 AM


The Picking of the Nits
You oughta watch baseless charges like that, there is such a thing as slander.
I think the burden of proof for proving slander charges against public figures is so much different than against private citizens that generally, slander/libel suits are all but useless.
(Isn't it libel, anyway, being as it's in print?)
But yeah. Aren't we all tired of Whatever's stupid repetitions? I know I am.

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RAZD
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Message 87 of 247 (137052)
08-26-2004 1:25 PM
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08-26-2004 10:58 AM


Re: The Picking of the Nuts
I don't mind people looking at the charges if they also look at the responses, failing to do that is conviction without a trial, and distinctly unamerican ... but then I keep forgetting that the biggest assault on the constitution is from both the neocons and the fundies, and anyone wearing both pants doesn't know they are on backwards.
here is more on "our hero" Witless Weenie Warmonger:
http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm#_HOUSTON,_YOU_HAVE
Looks like there may be some official Air Force documents that should shed some light on the TXANG issue ... anybody want to investigate?

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PecosGeorge
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Message 88 of 247 (137065)
08-26-2004 1:46 PM
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08-25-2004 11:50 PM


Re: Bush campaigned on his military "record" for 2000
I know you know someone you can honestly vote for.
Who?????????
I'll vote for him, too.

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Message 89 of 247 (137071)
08-26-2004 1:54 PM
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08-26-2004 12:30 AM


Re: Maybe whatever will answer my question here?
I may have done more than wet my pants at that moment. A million paralyzing thoughts may have crossed his mind. Apply it to yourself. What do humans do under extreme duress? I have seen some laugh. Is it not easy to give directions from this angle? He should have......

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RAZD
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Message 90 of 247 (137076)
08-26-2004 2:05 PM
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08-26-2004 1:54 PM


Re: Maybe whatever will answer my question here?
If he had been doing his job this should not have been a big surprise. Osama failed his first attempt on the towers and said he would try again until he succeeded. The administration ignored terror threats until it happened.
I remember when it happened, and my first thoughts were about who I may have known on the planes, etc. Certainly I wasn't stunned on national TV for minutes on end. I think Kerry would have stood up, excused himself from the room and taken charge. This is, of course assuming that shrub wasn't waiting for orders from Cheney.

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