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Message 63 of 247 (135835)
08-20-2004 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by crashfrog
08-18-2004 1:17 AM


TOPIC???
looks like message #11 is the last one that still includes a bare smidgion of the topic.
let's start with Bush's military record ... if anyone can find it ... ?

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Message 66 of 247 (136523)
08-24-2004 10:50 AM


No Bush Supporters?
Interesting that we have several people that can spout off neocon propoganda about Kerry (which are contradicted by facts) and yet they cannot seem to provide anything of value here to say that shrubbykins is qualified.
What does that tell you about his qualifications if nobody knows what they are?
Of course there is always his resume ....
see http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/04/23_resume.html
heh.
added by edit: just found this gem ... want to buy a bridge?
http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/a_bridge_in_brooklyn.html
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Message 68 of 247 (136614)
08-24-2004 4:58 PM
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08-24-2004 4:41 PM


Re: No Bush Supporters?
Stopping stems cell research in the US (so we fall behind the rest of the world) in spite of the call for this research from bipartisan groups is a reason to vote for him? Or is it because of an apparent conflation of the war with some biblical reference?

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Message 70 of 247 (136622)
08-24-2004 5:40 PM
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08-24-2004 5:11 PM


Re: No Bush Supporters?
there is some indications that some things that fetal stem cells can do that adult ones cannot. diversity of source is the main problem with the limits. california is looking at state funding of stem cell research, I am sure to keep scientists working in california labs rather than move abroad. the limit does nothing to stop the research, rather it just means it is not done here, and americans will not be the first to benefit. it saddens me to think that children born today with some medical problems could see solutions in their lifetimes (diabetes for one)

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Message 73 of 247 (136862)
08-25-2004 8:21 PM
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08-25-2004 3:33 PM


(we are off topic but ... )
There may be some part of the cell division information (DNA, RNA, ribosome ... ?) that is {discarded / modified / overwritten} during the cell division process (is this buried in the 'garbage genes' that make up most of the DNA?) such that "clones" (of the current type) will not be truly successful until this is known. Certainly there is a fundamental difference in the results of these processes from the natural process (which is also easier and more fun ).
{add by edit}: This would likely result in some differential degree of success between different species, likely related to specialization.
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Message 74 of 247 (136875)
08-25-2004 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by RAZD
08-24-2004 10:50 AM


Re: No Bush Supporters? what? hang?
whatever keeps saying that his 'Kerry' topic is not about Bush ... but he doesn't defend him here either.
No defense? Not much surprise, imho. After all ... too many lies, too many mistakes, too much incompetence, too little for real Americans (rich ceo types are not Americans imho -- it's a little thing about "all men are created equal" being not just ignored but trampled and savaged).
bush's behavior during vietnam makes whatever's and hangdog's criticism of Kerry more than a little hypocritical, blind, ignorant, stupid or insane.
one has to wonder what anyone can say to defend bush.

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Message 76 of 247 (136883)
08-25-2004 10:51 PM
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08-25-2004 10:16 PM


Re: Maybe whatever will answer my question here?
we'll see
... holding virtual breath .... not

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Message 77 of 247 (136907)
08-25-2004 11:50 PM
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08-25-2004 10:51 PM


Bush campaigned on his military "record" for 2000
The problem is that it is just more lies.
From Page not found | The Nation
A group of veterans motivated by 30-years of resentment accuse John Kerry of exaggerating his Vietnam wartime service, and their attack makes the front pages and cable gabfests. But when a news report showed that George W. Bush had overstated his military experience, Bush escaped without a scratch.
I am not referring to the Bush's missing time in the Air National Guard. That episode did receive much attention--though only in the past year, not when the issue was first raised during the 2000 presidential campaign. Back then Bush was disingenuous about his Guard service. In his campaign autobiography, he wrote that he had completed his pilot training in 1970 while assigned to an air base in Houston and "continued flying with my unit for the next several years." But as the Boston Globe revealed, he stopped flying during his final 18 months of service in 1972 and 1973. Bush had been grounded after failing to take a flight exam, and had won permission to train with a unit in Alabama where he did no flying. There are no records proving he showed up for duty in Alabama, but Bush has insisted he did.
Putting aside the controversy over Bush's Air National Guard service (or dereliction of duty), there was another instance when Bush clearly did not speak truthfully about his military record. In 1978, Bush, while running for Congress in West Texas, produced campaign literature that claimed he had served in the US Air Force. According to a 1999 Associated Press report, Bush's congressional campaign ran a pullout ad in the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal that declared he had served "in the US Air Force and the Texas Air National Guard where he piloted the F-102 aircraft."
Bush lost that congressional race, but twenty-one years later, the AP questioned him about the ad. The news outlet had a good reason to do so. Bush had never served in the Air Force. He had only been in the Air National Guard. But when AP asked Bush if he had been justified in claiming service in the Air Force, Bush, then the governor of Texas and a presidential candidate, said, "I think so, yes. I was in the Air Force for over 600 days." Karen Hughes, his spokeswoman, maintained that when Bush attended flight school for the Air National Guard from 1968 to 1969 he was considered to be on active duty for the Air Force and that several times afterward he had been placed on alert, which also qualified as active duty for the Air Force. All told, she said, Bush had logged 607 days of training and alerts. "As an officer [in the Air National Guard]," she told the AP, "he was serving on active duty in the Air Force."
But this explanation was wrong. Says who? The Air Force. As the Associated Press reported,
The Air Force says that Air National Guard members are considered 'guardsmen on active duty' while receiving pilot training. They are not, however, counted as members of the overall active-duty Air Force.
Anyone in the Air National Guard is always considered a guardsmen and not a member of the active-duty Air Force, according to an Air Force spokeswoman in the Pentagon. A National Guard member may be called to active duty for pilot training or another temporary assignment and receive active-duty pay at the time, but they remain Guard members.
The AP report said, "It may be a question of semantics." But today I checked with two spokespersons for the US Air Force, and each confirmed that an active-duty member of the Air National Guard is not considered a member of the US Air Force. "If a member of the Air National Guard is in pilot training," says Captain Cristin Lesperance of the US Air Force media relations office, "they would remain on the Guard books. They would be counted as Guard, not as an active-duty Air Force member."
So where was all the hollering about Bush's exaggeration of his military service? True, Bush was hyping his military record way back in 1978. But he repeated and defended the misrepresentation in 1999 while campaigning for the White House. And, no doubt, Kerry's critics would consider any remark Kerry made twenty-six years ago fair game. Admiral Roy Hoffman, a founder of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, recently said that his group is not politically motivated: "It would make no difference if John Kerry were a Republican, Democrat or an Independent, Swift Boat veterans would still be speaking the truth concerning John Kerry's military service record." But are any of Kerry's accusers willing to criticize Bush for falsely representing his service?
So, O'Neil, how about getting on this one eh? (holds virtual breath again .... heh)
I have trouble believing that anyone could honestly vote for the man

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Message 80 of 247 (136923)
08-26-2004 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by johnfolton
08-26-2004 12:20 AM


Re: Maybe whatever will answer my question here?
Razd, There are two roads, one protect us and ours, and the other gives us and our to others control. Kerry is simply a pawn of the New World Order ...
be careful of what you wish for.
and your militia \ survivalist paranoia is showing.
yeah, bush is a hero all right ... couldn't stand up from the reading in the classroom until his pants dried. then turned tail to run and hide. why does this sound like his ANG "service" ... ? boy, I know a lot of heros by your criteria, and those that actually entered into combat must be mythological gods by comparison.

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Message 82 of 247 (136929)
08-26-2004 12:41 AM
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08-26-2004 12:28 AM


what fire?

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Message 87 of 247 (137052)
08-26-2004 1:25 PM
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08-26-2004 10:58 AM


Re: The Picking of the Nuts
I don't mind people looking at the charges if they also look at the responses, failing to do that is conviction without a trial, and distinctly unamerican ... but then I keep forgetting that the biggest assault on the constitution is from both the neocons and the fundies, and anyone wearing both pants doesn't know they are on backwards.
here is more on "our hero" Witless Weenie Warmonger:
http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm#_HOUSTON,_YOU_HAVE
Looks like there may be some official Air Force documents that should shed some light on the TXANG issue ... anybody want to investigate?

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Message 90 of 247 (137076)
08-26-2004 2:05 PM
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08-26-2004 1:54 PM


Re: Maybe whatever will answer my question here?
If he had been doing his job this should not have been a big surprise. Osama failed his first attempt on the towers and said he would try again until he succeeded. The administration ignored terror threats until it happened.
I remember when it happened, and my first thoughts were about who I may have known on the planes, etc. Certainly I wasn't stunned on national TV for minutes on end. I think Kerry would have stood up, excused himself from the room and taken charge. This is, of course assuming that shrub wasn't waiting for orders from Cheney.

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Message 91 of 247 (137080)
08-26-2004 2:10 PM
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08-26-2004 1:46 PM


Re: Bush campaigned on his military "record" for 2000
I think you can tell who I will be voting for.
Kerry - records of valient service
Bush - records of missing surrogate service
Kerry - consistent record of supporting veterans rights
Bush - consistent record of cutting veterans rights
Kerry - record of concern for common citizens
Bush - record of concern for fatcat CEO's
just for starters.

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Message 97 of 247 (137154)
08-26-2004 4:58 PM
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08-26-2004 2:55 PM


ummm
that he wasn't really the leader? he certainly wasn't "in charge"

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Message 100 of 247 (137171)
08-26-2004 5:34 PM
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08-26-2004 5:14 PM


an image of leadership?
What is so hard to understand about this?
that he wasn't really the leader?
... just sitting in that chair ... imagine what Osama thinks of that picture.

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