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Dredge writes: You seem to be to be at odds with science itself ... I've been told repeatedly that science doesn't prove anything. In common parlance, prove means proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and that definitely applies to common ancestry.
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sensei writes: It's common today that normal cells produce eggs or sperm that have half of genetics in each cell. What in the world is a "normal cell"??? Do your stomach cells produce egg and sperm? Do your skin cells produce egg and sperm? Do your muscle cells produce egg and sperm? When somatic cells, the cells that make up your body, divide they produce new cells with full diploid genomes.
But let me ask you this: do you believe that different species have evolved meiosis seperately? Given the distribution and uniqueness of meiosis in eukaryotes it tends to point to common ancestry. We can find meiosis and sexual reproduction even in single celled organisms.
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Dredge writes: Most of the organisms that appeared in the Cambrian have no recognisable evolutionary ancestors in the pre-Cambrian.​ Then show me all of the species that lived in the pre-Cambrian and show us how they can not be ancestors of what is in the Cambrian.
How can all those missing links between pre-Cambrian and Cambrian possibly form a nested hierarchy? You don't need transitional fossils in order to produce a nested hierarchy. Perhaps you should learn what a nested hierarchy is.
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Dredge writes: Pray tell, how does "without any evolutionary history" amount to a nested hierarchy? All living species fit into a nested hierarchy. That is without looking at a single fossil, transitional or otherwise. We don't need a single fossil in order to evidence a nested hierarchy. The fact that you don't understand these basic facts says a lot.
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Dredge writes: There is a MASSIVE gap between ediacaran and cambrian radiations that evolution can't (sensibly) explain away ... the predicted evolutionary links between ediacaran and cambrian are virtually non-existent ... Prove to us that they are non-existent. Show us every single fossil that is in the Earth right now.
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Dredge writes: Oh, so you know that human descended from bacteria? I know that the evidence is consistent with humans and bacteria sharing a common ancestor.
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Dredge writes: Atheists (and most of the scientific community) attribute magical powers to mindless molecules ... lifeless mud turned in human beings!! Wow!!! It always fascinates me when theists try to project their own beliefs onto atheists in order to discredit atheists.
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Dredge writes: If you know how evolution works, choose one evolutionary transition from the fossil record and describe how it happened. Sure. Here you go: By comparing the genomes of chimps and humans we can find the differences between the genomes. As I have demonstrated in this thread, the differences are due to mutations and the commonalities are due to common descent. We can also measure sequence conservation throughout each genome which evidences natural selection. So the physical differences between humans and chimps is due to evolutionary mechanisms, and we can even see the transitional steps in the fossil record.
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Dredge writes: I'm claiming that the massive gap in morphology and function between pre-C and C biota is not consistent with the theory of evolution.​ You haven't demonstrated that this gap is real. Please show us all of the species that lived during that time.
Where is the vast number of transitional fossils that are required to bridge the huge gap? You claim they don't exist, so prove it.
You need similarities to form a nested hierarchy. And that's what living species have, similarities.
I can't see how the profound dissimilarities between pre-C biota and C biota can form a nested hierarchy. ​ You are forgetting about the similarities.
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Dredge writes: By saying "It proves common ancestry and evolution", you've painted yourself into a corner - since science can't prove it, no one can prove it. Troll gonna troll. In common parlance, prove means proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Live with it.
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Dredge writes: Do you know that humans descended from bacteria or not? I know that the evidence is consistent with humans and bacteria sharing a common ancestor.
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Dredge writes: Losing hurts, don't it? Troll gonna troll.
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Dredge writes: Not at all. I accept that nested hierarchies exist within phyla. So you accept common ancestry of phyla?
What's lacking, viz-a-viz the theory of evolution, are fossil links between the various phyla, which are necessary if one wants to claim that the entire fossil record forms a nested hierarchy. Apparently you are unaware of the genetic evidence which forms a nested hierarchy between the phyla.
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Dredge writes: This article says you're wrong: Apparently you don't understand the difference between common usage and technical accuracy. All of the time we hear that someone is proven guilty in a court of law, and yet court decisions are as tentative as scientific conclusions. When someone says that a theory has been proven true it is in the same sense that someone is proven guilty in a court of law.
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sensei writes: Massive gaps does indicate that there is ample reason to doubt the theory. The only reason why there would be gaps in an incomplete fossil record is if common ancestry is true. If species groups were separately created then there wouldn't be gaps because there would be no reason to expect something transitional between any two groups. Because life has evolved from a common ancestor we do have a nested hierarchy, and that nested hierarchy tells us where the gaps are.
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