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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
One reason that it is difficult to discuss these beliefs with you is that you separate your personal beliefs from logic, reason, and reality and never introduce them into the discussion.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: One reason that it is difficult to discuss these beliefs with you is that you separate your personal beliefs from logic, reason, and reality and never introduce them into the discussion. But my beliefs are unreasonable, illogical and unsupported by reality. But again, seriously Phat, I have never expressed my beliefs here at EvC?
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
You have to a degree, but you never seem to embrace a living Christ---only because there is no evidence and because it is illogical and likely a marketing tool (in your mind)
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: You have to a degree, but you never seem to embrace a living Christ---only because there is no evidence and because it is illogical and likely a marketing tool (in your mind) And no one has ever been able to explain what "a living Christ" is or means?
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Why should they need to?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
jar stated that no one has ever explained what "a living Christ" means and Phat responds "Why should they need to?"
Are you kidding? Do you believe in a living snugwump? Edited by jar, : appalin spallin
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
No, but if everyone that my family knew talked of such a critter and mentioned that they believed in one and sung songs honoring the smugwump and TV had people preaching smugwumpism and I heard testimonies of how the smugwump cured cancer and blessed a down and out man and once when I went forward I swore the smugwump whispered in my ear, I would have no further need to explain the critter to you.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Phat writes: No, but if everyone that my family knew talked of such a critter and mentioned that they believed in one and sung songs honoring the smugwump and TV had people preaching smugwumpism and I heard testimonies of how the smugwump cured cancer and blessed a down and out man and once when I went forward I swore the smugwump whispered in my ear, I would have no further need to explain the critter to you. People can and do believe absolutely anything won't they Phat? Doesn't this tell you something?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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it tells me that some of us have a need to believe.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Phat writes: it tells me that some of us have a need to believe. Doesn't that make you question the validity of what it is that you believe?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: No, but if everyone that my family knew talked of such a critter and mentioned that they believed in one and sung songs honoring the smugwump and TV had people preaching smugwumpism and I heard testimonies of how the smugwump cured cancer and blessed a down and out man and once when I went forward I swore the smugwump whispered in my ear, I would have no further need to explain the critter to you. But if all of those sources said that the smgwump died yet you claimed it was a living smugwump is it not reasonable to as what a living smugwump means? The fact is that so far no one has ever explained what a living God or living Christ or living Jesus means? I can see examples of many living things, many non-living things and even some things where it's not clear whether the are living or non-living but Gods and Christ and Jesus do not show those characteristics. So again, what does a living Christ mean? Edited by jar, : fix sub-title
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Your questions are designed to be open-ended without definite answers apart from subjective ones.
Seems if I recall correctly, your subjective conclusion to the question is that the book tells us to be imitators of the character and that in fact is what a living Christ means...that we carry on as imitators of the character in the book. In I CANTS Creation topic, I attempt an analogy of a Creator of all seen and unseen. My very analogy is a human attempt to define the characteristics of such a Being. At best, I can imitate creating a character in a story...GOD the reality can only be described by humans attempting to explain God and His Son. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Seems if I recall correctly, your subjective conclusion to the question is that the book tells us to be imitators of the character and that in fact is what a living Christ means...that we carry on as imitators of the character in the book. That's a better start but now what does it mean to "carry on as imitators of the character in the book"?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
If I have a need for a time machine, does that mean I have access to one or that one even exists? it tells me that some of us have a need to believe.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I've heard it said that if you can visualize/imagine it, you can create it.
Time Travel Isn't PossibleOr Is It?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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