Why did the Christian messiah fail to fulfill the messianic prophecies?

Faith, it seems you are ashamed of spiritual truths and spiritual beings when among unspiritual unscientific scientists""You write Jupiter may not have been the star, but it seems to me it's the best candidate so far, among natural possibilities that is, and that's what I'd expect it to be.)""Natural possibilities means you have discopunted supernatural possibilities so as to cowtow to the unspiritual closed minded unscientific scientists HERE...which is surely what Larson did as well.The scripture as you stated was "When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was."Time wise, the star took a LONG TIME as these wise men moved very very slowly by camel. This in and of itself removes Jupiter as a possibility. Similiarly, the evil King Herod who got his reward in his life and death was in Jerusalem which is directly north of Bethlehem.Do study the map !!!! It changed from east of the wise men to south of the wise men directing them to Bethlehem which was SOUTH of Jersualem. Know directions, know the design of the Earth as designed by the King of Kings, and dont be intimidated by false scientists and their unspiritual blind limitations and so called natural possibilities...as these types believe in the impossible and the irrational and the illogical, for they are atheists and evolutionists.A star wins and fits the descriptions, and DIRECTIONS and movementsSEE Below

No one gets away with anything, when dealing with the Lord...and one of the worst of all sins is killing innocent babies which Herod did in his anger to try and kill the MESSIAH ..JESUSKing Herods Horrible deathKingHerodsHorribleDeathIf you go back to the Christmas Story in scriptures, you find out that evil King Herod, first wanted to kill Jesus, the upcoming
KING, but when that didn't succeed he tried to just kill all the babies in the area. from two years old and under.Mathew 2: 16-18 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding WROTH, and sent
forth, and SLEW all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under,
according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by
Jeremy the prophet, saying, ' In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel
weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.'So have you ever wondered what happenned to evil King Herod that killed all these babies. Did he get away with it, or did he
REAP what he sowed... He caused such pain and suffering and so many deaths of innocent babies and children. Did he get away
with it For the Lord's WORD says ....Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone
were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.And King Herod definitely was an offender of these little ones and was definitely evil, so did the Lord judge him.
(Consider The Lord Judgments) or did the Lord allow him to live out his days in peace and comfort, and pass peacefully into the
next life.Well the great historian, Josephus records how King Herod died, and wrote that it was absolutely excruciating. (Ant. 17.6.5):"But the disease of Herod grew more severe, God inflicting punishment for his crimes. For a slow fire burned in him which was
not so apparent to those who touched him, but augmented his internal distress; for he had a terrible desire for food which it was
not possible to resist. He was affected also with ulceration of the intestines, and with especially severe pains in the colon, while a
watery and transparent humor settled about his feet.He suffered also from a similar trouble in his abdomen. Nay more, his privy member was putrefied and produced worms. He
found also excessive difficulty in breathing, and it was particularly disagreeable because of the offensiveness of the odor and the
rapidity of respiration. He had convulsions also in every limb, which gave him uncontrollable strength. It was said, indeed, by
those who possessed the power of divination and wisdom to explain such events, that God had inflicted this punishment upon
the King on account of his great impiety" (End of Excerpt from Ant. 17.6.5)In other words, king Herod was eaten up with worms, and cast into the filth and pain, like a pig drown in the waters of his own
sins. And this is surely an important addition and lesson to be learned from the greatest STORY even told the birth and life and
derath of our Saviour. No one gets away with anything, despite the positions of power we think might protect us, because we all
meet our Maker in the End and we all have to face what we have done in this life.Jesus was born to take away the sins of the world, which is only possible through His SALVATION, this is the true story and
meaning of Christmas..Mathew 1: 21-23 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their
SINS. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a
VIRGIN shall be with CHILD, and shall bring forth a SON, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is,
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I don't think it was an angel because:

• Angels appeared to the shepherds, nobody has a problem recognizing an angel. Why would scripture call it a star if it was an angel?
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• The Magi would have known it was an angel. Again, why call it a star if it's an angel?
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• The Magi called it a star to Herod, who asked when it had appeared. They didn't say "We saw an angel in the east," they said they saw a star. And that star went before them to Bethlehem after they saw Herod.

But again, you are welcome to your opinion David. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The shepherds were there at the birth and heard and saw angels .shepherds saw angel heard singing at Jesus birth - Google SearchThe wise men came maybe two years later to see the King of Kings as he was just a small toddler at the time.The churchies do get iot wrong, nevertheless the shepherds did see the King, and were the first to be told about His ARRIVALThe retrograde did not take two years, the angel moved for the wise men for they had a purpose and a meaning after the birth in his toodler years, before they were forced to flee to Egypt.Fleeing to Egypt was another FULFILLED MESSIANIC PROPHECYEdited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Jupiter takes twelve years to circuit the sun, so it can persist a very long time in one position against the background of the stars, taking a a whole year to move through any one of the twelve constellations in the Zodiac.How long would you give the Magi for their travel from Babylon to Judea? Larson gave them about six months.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Hosea 11:1Out of Egypt have I called my son.Joseph, and Mary took toodler Jesus to Egypt to escape the wrath of the devil in King Herod, as the heathen hate a king over them, all heathen hate a king over them.For out of Egypt, Jesus was called and destined to the other site of his early years...Nazareth...which is another fulfilled prophecy..And the Jews dislike or hate this fulfillment as well because they wanted somebody from Jerusalem and a big city to rule over them and rule over the whole world for them.Is out of Egypt I called my son in Hosea 11:1 a Messianic prophecy? | GotQuestions.org

There is a huge difference between the astrological significance of the star and its motions in the sky. The former might well be obscure to all but those educated in astrology - but the movement of the planet is visible to everyone. (Larson's astrological interpretation seems to be his invention anyway so we can't say that anyone at all would have noticed *that*).Stopping over the house sounds like the movement of the star, but there would be no visible stopping of Jupiter - it would keep on moving (remembering that we are speaking of apparent motion in the sky)Herod supposedly asked for the time the star first appeared - but that doesn't imply that he hadn't noticed it at all, only that he didn't know the date it had first been seen. (And note that Matthew implies that this is the same star, not two different conjunctions as Larson has it - again if you believe Larson you also believe that the Gospel of Matthew is at best over-simplified and misleading concerning the star).

You are getting there.But as seen from the Earth no constellation stays in one spot for a whole night, rather they progress from east to west, from dusk until dawn. If you try following that over one night you would start out headed east and then gradually turn and be going west at dawn.

Moving along as Jesus the MESSIAH had all his moves designed ahead of time and prophesied about ahead of time..From designed Bethlehem t designed destination Egypt to designed childhood city of Nazareth...For it says He shall be called a NazareneHe shall be called a Nazarene fulfilled prophecy - Google SearchAnd the jewish preisthood rent their garments and the atheists gnashed their teeth, and the evolutionists ran in horror when faced with intelligence and design and fulfilled prophecy.

The angels had appeared to them while they were watching their flock "in the field" [Luke 2:8 on] and they went to see the newborn King soon after his birth. Yes, it would have been some time after his birth, but if they left soon after they saw the star announcing his birth they would have arrived sooner than two years later. What scripture is your source?: It's not the entire period of the retrograde we're talking about, it's the point at which Jupiter stopped going forward in its orbit before reversing direction, when it would appear to have stopped. Yes it was. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I am not arguing for the daily movement of the objects in the sky, I'm arguing for the movement of the planets against the constellations and the stars, which the Magi would have recognized.

Too funny. Stop and think Faith. What was possible to see in the night sky simply could not sit over Bethlehem for even one night. You are just making stuff up.

No, the problem is that you are failing to grasp what it means for a planet to appear to stop against the background of the stars, and confusing it with the movement of the sky over a day, a distinction which the Magi could appreciate because of their education.And by the way you are making personal accusations again. I am not making stuff up, you missed my point. Personal accusations are against the rules, jar, cut it out.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Again Faith, no, no one is failing to grasp that. But what the Magi would have seen is the "sign" appear at the eastern horizon and then travel across the sky to the western horizon. That is worthless as a guide to Jerusalem or Bethlehem or Antioch or any other city.The story is simply a later after the fact made up tale.

The Magi knew how to read the planets. You don't.