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Author Topic:   Why did the Christian messiah fail to fulfill the messianic prophecies?
kbertsche
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Message 357 of 716 (804492)
04-10-2017 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 349 by Faith
04-08-2017 12:07 PM


I'm with Faith on this. The "branch" is Jesus. In fact, "branch" is the root of "Nazarene" and "Nazareth" in the NT (though few know this). So when Matthew says that "He shall be called a Nazarene", he is saying "he shall be called the Branch" and is referring back to OT prophecies: Is 11:1 and Is 6:13.
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"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." — Albert Einstein
I am very astonished that the scientific picture of the real world around me is very deficient. It gives us a lot of factual information, puts all of our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously. — Erwin Schroedinger

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kbertsche
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Message 369 of 716 (804620)
04-11-2017 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 366 by Faith
04-11-2017 4:48 PM


Re: Some hits and some misses?
I have a fundamental problem with Davidjay's approach, irrespective of any details. His approach seems to boil down to a search for hidden meanings and messages, and to ignore or downplay the plain historical-grammatical-contextual meaning of the text.
Luther emphasized the "perspicuity" (clarity) of Scripture. If God actually wrote Scripture to communicate with us, the main meaning should be clear without any special Davidjay-issued decoder glasses. (This does NOT mean that some things are difficult to interpret; they are. And it does NOT mean that some things are intentionally confusing, like Jesus' parables. But the main meaning of the text is generally clear.)
The dead give-away is Davidjay's pointing to the Great Pyramid as a source of biblical truth. It's not surprising that someone can apply numerology to its dimensions and come up with some hidden correlations, just like someone can find hidden messages with a "Bible code" that skips every nth letter of the text. But this is not the point of the text, nor of the pyramid.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." — Albert Einstein
I am very astonished that the scientific picture of the real world around me is very deficient. It gives us a lot of factual information, puts all of our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously. — Erwin Schroedinger

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kbertsche
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Message 372 of 716 (804629)
04-11-2017 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 371 by Faith
04-11-2017 7:00 PM


Re: Some hits and some misses?
Yes, I agree that we can understand the big picture of Bible prophecy (there will be lots of problems, rebellions, uprisings, but Jesus will win in the end and make everything right). And I think we can understand some of the details fairly well (7 years of trouble, with the last 3 1/2 being especially bad). But I don't think we'll understand lots of other details until after they occur (who/what is the antichrist? The mark? The beast? The great city? The four horsemen?). As Daniel records, many of these end-times details are "sealed up" until the end (Dan 12:4).

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." — Albert Einstein
I am very astonished that the scientific picture of the real world around me is very deficient. It gives us a lot of factual information, puts all of our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously. — Erwin Schroedinger

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kbertsche
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Message 378 of 716 (804672)
04-12-2017 1:52 AM
Reply to: Message 376 by Davidjay
04-12-2017 1:23 AM


Re: Some hits and some misses?
Davidjay writes:
And it seems you are also afraid of the Lords Great Pyramid
The Lord's Great Pyramid?!? Which "Lord" do you serve?
The Great Pyramid of Giza was completed about 2560 BC, about 500 years before YHWH called Abraham. No Israelites were involved in its construction. It is not mentioned in Scripture. So what makes it "the Lord's"? Why is it any more "the Lord's" than is any other pyramid, or the Sphinx?

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." — Albert Einstein
I am very astonished that the scientific picture of the real world around me is very deficient. It gives us a lot of factual information, puts all of our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously. — Erwin Schroedinger

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kbertsche
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Message 382 of 716 (804677)
04-12-2017 3:24 AM
Reply to: Message 379 by Davidjay
04-12-2017 2:08 AM


Re:
Davidjay writes:
As for your second question, honestly I never ever thought of it, exactly as Enoch was removed without dying at age 365, just before the year of the Great Flood.
in 2348 exactly.
Hence Enoch could have designed it of course with His heavenly help in the heavenlies (personally) or when he was here.
Good question......
And why do you think that Enoch had anything at all to do with the design of the Great Pyramid of Giza? Is there any scripture that suggests this? Any that says he spent any time in Egypt? Any Egyptian inscriptions that tie Enoch to the pyramids?

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." — Albert Einstein
I am very astonished that the scientific picture of the real world around me is very deficient. It gives us a lot of factual information, puts all of our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously. — Erwin Schroedinger

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kbertsche
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Message 388 of 716 (804836)
04-13-2017 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 384 by Davidjay
04-13-2017 1:34 AM


Re:
Davidjay writes:
KBERT, you asked about Enoch.. Here is a start to your research, do read his book as well...
The Great Pyramid at Giza, was not designed by Pharaoh but by Enoch, the man who walked with God.’ (Read the
”Book of Enoch’ - Genesis 5: 24).
Gen 5:24 says nothing about Enoch designing pyramids.
Do you realize that the Book of Enoch is not canonical for either Judaism or Christianity? And that it was written about 300BC, so definitely NOT by Enoch? (Book of Enoch - Wikipedia)
Even so, I find no mention of pyramids (or even of Egypt) in either 1 Enoch or 2 Enoch. Where is your reference that you believe ties Enoch to the pyramids?

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." — Albert Einstein
I am very astonished that the scientific picture of the real world around me is very deficient. It gives us a lot of factual information, puts all of our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously. — Erwin Schroedinger

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