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Author Topic:   Why did the Christian messiah fail to fulfill the messianic prophecies?
Theodoric
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Message 148 of 716 (710626)
11-07-2013 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by jaywill
11-07-2013 3:10 PM


Do you understand the concept of singular and plural?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 152 of 716 (710631)
11-07-2013 5:03 PM
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11-07-2013 4:52 PM


Re: The Suffering Servant messianic passages speak about ISRAEL
Jesus predicted His death and resurrection which came to pass as He said.
All you have are people claiming this after the supposed event. That we have no evidence it even happened notwithstanding, it isn't a prediction post event.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 360 of 716 (804574)
04-11-2017 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 343 by Phat
11-03-2016 8:34 AM


reply to old post skip
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 365 of 716 (804591)
04-11-2017 11:53 AM
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04-11-2017 11:36 AM


Re: Bethlehem is EXACTLY aligned
The whole thing rests upon Bethlehem being at latitude of 31.68. It isn't. Its close but not Bethlehem.
Everything they claim about 3168 is not accurate. All it takes is a little curiosity to realize it is all bullshit, that wow the believers.
ABE
Bethlehem is about a degree off of 31.68
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 367 of 716 (804616)
04-11-2017 5:58 PM
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04-11-2017 4:48 PM


Re: Some hits and some misses?
If you actually map the coordinates you will see that that coordinate is a bit off from central Bethlehem. Point being the number is not special.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 368 of 716 (804617)
04-11-2017 6:16 PM
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04-11-2017 4:48 PM


Re: Some hits and some misses?
I pulled it up on Google Earth. Your numbers work.
Enter 31.68 into Google Earth and see what you get. It puts you at least 1 1/2 miles outside of downtown Bethlehem.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 375 of 716 (804657)
04-11-2017 11:25 PM
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04-11-2017 6:49 PM


Re: Some hits and some misses?
But his whole premise is based on exact #'s. Fudging the numbers destroys his premise.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 456 of 716 (806665)
04-27-2017 8:42 AM
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04-27-2017 5:02 AM


Re: The Star: It's All Natural Astronomical Phenomena
Have you ever gone outside and watched what happens to stars during the course of a night? Do you know what happens during the course of the night when you are watching a planet that is in retrograde?
Do you understand the rotation of the earth?
What would it take for a celestial object to be rooted in one place in the night sky for an extended period of time?
Magic?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 506 of 716 (806768)
04-27-2017 4:44 PM
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04-27-2017 10:42 AM


Re: The Star: It's All Natural Astronomical Phenomena
But of course none of it ever happened. The only "evidence" is your book of fables. None of the gospel fables agree on much of anything.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 507 of 716 (806769)
04-27-2017 4:45 PM
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04-27-2017 10:51 AM


Re: The Star: It's All Natural Astronomical Phenomena
Thanks for continuing not to answer me. Has any star or planet maintained the same position night after night throughout the whole night?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 508 of 716 (806770)
04-27-2017 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 477 by Faith
04-27-2017 11:09 AM


Re: The Star: It's All Natural Astronomical Phenomena
Bullshit. Watching the night sky once completely destroys what he claims.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 509 of 716 (806771)
04-27-2017 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 495 by Faith
04-27-2017 11:59 AM


Re: The Star: It's All Natural Astronomical Phenomena
Please explain or show how a star or planet could rise in the west.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 548 of 716 (806842)
04-28-2017 11:13 AM
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04-28-2017 9:20 AM


Re: The Star: was an ANGEL
But it moves across the night sky each night

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 684 of 716 (807381)
05-02-2017 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 672 by Faith
05-02-2017 12:35 PM


Re: The Star: The Woman of Revelation 12 as Virgo
You do realize that through time the constellations have and will change? You do don't you? Also, do you realize that there are stars up in the sky during the day too?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 685 of 716 (807382)
05-02-2017 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 681 by Faith
05-02-2017 1:39 PM


Re: The Star: The Woman of Revelation 12 as Virgo
Can you provide the historical evidence for this neat little fantasy?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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