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Author Topic:   Evolution falsifies God/s?
Omnivorous
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Message 60 of 253 (726561)
05-09-2014 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by faceman
05-09-2014 10:55 PM


Re: Denial doesn't refute reality
faceman writes:
NoNukes writes:
And yet atheists manage to enjoy the company of their fellow humans just as you do. Is that really so hard to fathom?
No not at all, I know atheists are just as capable as I am - since they're made in God's image. An atheist is being disingenuous though, when he/she acts in this manner, because their worldview doesn't allow for it. Atheism doesn't provide for an absolute authority for right and wrong. The best it can do is offer up some evolutionary/cultural tale, but it's all hat and no cattle.
What an odd and offensive thing to say. You are claiming that when an atheist loves someone, displays kindness, or sacrifices his or her life for another, it is in reality a conscious lie. Does that truly make sense to you?
This is, of course, a variant of the claim that, if there were no God, one would feel free to kill, rape, steal from and torture other human beings. Both of these claims tell a great deal more about the claimant than they do about atheists.
You are apparently one crisis of faith away from revealing your intrinsic psychopathic nature.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 70 of 253 (726587)
05-10-2014 5:59 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by faceman
05-09-2014 11:59 PM


Arbitrary is as arbitrary does
faceman writes:
Omnivorous writes:
You are claiming that when an atheist loves someone, displays kindness, or sacrifices his or her life for another, it is in reality a conscious lie. Does that truly make sense to you?
Not a conscious lie, but they are borrowing from a theist's worldview to make sense of their own. If morality is a product of evolution, then it could not be objective, it would be arbitrary. Rape and murder, however, are universally detested.
Then you need to refresh your understanding of what it means to be disingenuous.
Given that, before responding to your comments about evolution and morality, I'd like to know what you consider the definition of arbitrary to be, and how your God's purported actions are not arbitrary. However, since your God dictates morality based on his sensibility and will alone, like any good atheist, for openers I'd have to say it would be difficult to surpass him in the matter of arbitrariness...commonly defined, of course.
Rape and murder are clearly not universally detested; they are both widely practiced. Most of those imprisoned for those offenses in the U.S. profess to be Christians.
Your Bible records your God instructing his people in their use; since that God is, to you, the sine qua non of universal, one would have to say that, for Christians who hold the Bible to be inerrant, rape and murder are universally endorsed.

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Message 79 of 253 (726655)
05-10-2014 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by mike the wiz
05-10-2014 4:06 PM


Re: Arbitrary is as arbitrary does
mike writes:
So if He kills or recommends an ugly action...
IF? IF? Is there some doubt?
Whew. I feel like the ghost of jar: Have you actually read the Bible?
Did you miss the parts where God tells his people to kill them--then, later, dammit, I said kill them all, die die die? Or the part where he says kill them all, but keep the women for yourselves?
See, when you kill a man in battle, that's war. When you kill a prisoner, that's murder. The Satanic League of Atheistic Moralists believes that is wrong, and we don't even care much for war. I suppose some Christians may hold a different view.
When you take the women against their will, that's rape. The Official..., etc.
...as He does at times in the OT, then He can only be doing it for an ultimately righteous reason.
Ah. Raping for God, murdering for Jesus.
If you will do anything the voice of Sam, er, God tells you to do, if you think an "ultimately righteous" end justifies rape and murder, you...you... I'm gobsmacked by the sanctimonious banality of evil in your argument.
You APPEAL to morality, but again, what is morality except a set of preferences between your ears, and those who agree with you?
Words for you to live by, I guess.
You've broken something in your head, mike.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 112 of 253 (726937)
05-13-2014 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Faith
05-13-2014 10:24 PM


Re: Genetics For The Ill-Informed
Are the capitalized words the ones you shout?

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Message 117 of 253 (726942)
05-14-2014 1:25 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by Faith
05-13-2014 10:58 PM


Re: Genetics For The Ill-Informed
Faith writes:
No, they are the ones I want particularly noticed.
Well, I suppose they do get noticed. But what one notices is perhaps not what you intend.
I agree with AZPaul, and I don't even think you're crazy--you write well, and your writing has sharpened considerably in recent years as you've pressed your campaign here.
But the constant sprinkling of capitalized words reads like shouting, a common trope on the web, and suggests an emotional tenor that undermines the presentation of reasoned argument.
You don't need to do that, for two reasons: one, your writing is good enough that the rhythm and structure of your prose creates adequate emphases on those key words; and, two, the people reading your prose attend closely to it--we aren't missing the key words, we just don't agree.
We share a magnificent language that is subtle and supple enough to express pretty much any concept we can form. Your frequent all-caps read like the American abroad who shouts angrily at the waiter who doesn't speak his language, as though that would help.
We speak your language. Your writing would be even better if you abandoned the shouting typography.

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