Evolution falsifies God/s?

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Then why identify as Christians?

Yes please do, just not the "contagious yawning" study - it makes me yawn. I admit, I did used to think it sounded cool, back in my non-believing days. It's not about the material we're made of though, but about how we were made (i.e. Creator or not).Things would be less valuable without God, because stardust is not created in God's image. Does modern evolved dust hold any special meaning for you today? From your point of view, at what point did ancient stardust finally gain any significant value? Whatever point you cite, will simply be arbitrary. Just like morality in a truly atheistic world - it becomes arbitrary.

Agreed and that's a problem. Those leaders are doing much more damage than they realize. No not at all, I know atheists are just as capable as I am - since they're made in God's image. An atheist is being disingenuous though, when he/she acts in this manner, because their worldview doesn't allow for it. Atheism doesn't provide for an absolute authority for right and wrong. The best it can do is offer up some evolutionary/cultural tale, but it's all hat and no cattle. You'll need to push deeper, I'm kind of thick skinned. That's fine, I'm not concerned with that. I've found this site to be a bit slanted towards the atheistic/evolutionary argument, so I'm not expecting to find much agreement here.

I hadn't noticed that, but if he does, then it's most likely not the same God I believe in. As I've stated early, evolution is a major problem for a belief in the Christian God, because it makes the rest of the Bible questionable. If you can't believe in the first chapter, then how can you be sure of the rest? An evolutionary Christian dances a very fine line - and more than likely will begin to question whether or not a man can actually rise from the dead, though oddly enough they'll have no problem believing in abiogenesis. I would take you for an agnostic, because that viewpoint doesn't suggest a world without a God, rather a world where we just don't know (so you'll save room for Him in the evolution paradigm, just in case).What would you say to an atheist who abandoned atheism due to an unexplained personal conviction?

I'm a fourth option, because I refuse to be boxed in:4. Atheism cannot be true, therefore the opposite must be - thus God exists. If God exists, then He must be perfect which means He has value. We are made in His image (even you), thus we have value which comes from God.01100010 01100001 01100100 01100001 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01100010 01100001 01100100 01100001 01100010 01101111 01101111 01101101

You definitely put a lot of time into your posts. There's so much in there, they're like DoS attacks. I take it you're not married? Depends on if you've already made up your mind or not. If by "wrong" you mean results which don't fit your evolutionary paradigm, then no it's not logical to assume there is a flaw in the model. Ah no, I didn't mean it to be read that way. Actually you have been asking me for the definitions. I've personally used "horizontal" and "vertical", but I know you don't like those. Then I've heard from others that it's macro vs. micro. From here on, in the interest of communcation, I'll use your preferred terms: ToE and evolution. Will that work? In the case of cancer, I'd say the information is quite useless.I'll take a look at that "remedial" link you provided, as a show of appreciation for such a lengthy post. Can you give me a sneak peak, will it show that the "theory of evolution" has been proven to create new genetic information? Either way, I'll read it.

Not a conscious lie, but they are borrowing from a theist's worldview to make sense of their own. If morality is a product of evolution, then it could not be objective, it would be arbitrary. Rape and murder, however, are universally detested.

A super natural, ultimate authority should trump nucleosynthesis, which would simply be a creation of that authority. Would that mean an unborn fetus has value, since it is capable of thought and feelings? Yes, but when we say that we're made in God's image, that doesn't necessarily refer to a physical resemblance. The Bible says that God is without flesh and bone. To be made in His image, I believe, is to inherit many of his attributes, to be built with a moral compass that evolution cannot explain.

Probably, but send it my way and I'll have a look at it.

Hey I'm being the nice guy here, I agreed to read his "Evolution 101" article. I do have a day job though, so it's not always helpful when someone posts an entire encyclopedia in a debate forum.Turn that frown upside down - you know you're a fan!

Consider how important information is to life. You might call it intrinsic to life. Likewise, as the image bearers of God, we have much value because we intrinsically (via His image) reflect the mind and will of God.If a man were simply made of stardust, then his intrinsic value would not be much higher than that of a pen, because ultimately the pen would be made of stardust too. Stardust vs. stardust, the ultimate showdown.

Yes and evolutionists (ToE) have been doing that for some time, but the "reality" they're trying to match is their presupposed theory. They lead the data, rather than follow it. You can call it whatever you want, I'm easy in that regard. Just tell me where the new information comes from? What mechanism is responsible for creating new information?

No it may not always cause someone to doubt, but where would you be if evolution were proven false? Could you still cling to atheism? The flavor of religion wouldn't matter, it's the adoption of theism that I was getting at.

That was a nice dinner theater you put on. (golf clap)And yes, that is how that debate sometimes goes. The part you're missing though, is that if there isn't a God, you wouldn't be wasting your breath (or keystrokes) discussing whether something is right or wrong in the first place. There would simply be no concept of right or wrong. The fact that you are role playing it, is more evidence for God. You should join an apologetics team! Haha! Sounds like a Tarantino film title.