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iano
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Message 142 of 201 (318328)
06-06-2006 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by AdminJar
06-06-2006 12:28 PM


Re: Science & Religion
But the primary purpose of the board remains the same, and that is to try to discuss whether or not Biblical Creationism and its surrogate, ID, are in anyway science.
A primary purpose which no longer holds prime position amongst the posters. You can't stop evolution it seems and the site is what it has evolved into. And the basis for the supposed bias towards creos has outlived its use (if it ever existed at all). It should be naturally deselected

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iano
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Message 145 of 201 (318332)
06-06-2006 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Brian
06-06-2006 12:44 PM


Re: Whats wrong with bias?
The same way we know you aren't. Everything you say leads one to suppose that you aren't. Not proof, but hey! who has proof of anything around here.

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iano
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Message 156 of 201 (318422)
06-06-2006 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by AdminJar
06-06-2006 4:11 PM


Re: Science & Religion
This would include not just their positions on the primary issue, whether Biblical Creationism or its surrogate, ID, are science, but also positions on morals, social issues, education, philosophy or history.
Dream on Jar. And remember next time you propagate the idea, that it is a dream of your own manufacture and one you choose to impose on others (ie: it was never asked for). If anyone is fooled by it then they deserve to be - its nefarious objective must be patently obvious to all but the most dense (although I doubt anyones intellect could be so low in wattage so as to take you seriously in this)
Anyway, I've requested that your illusionary project be suspended in my case and trust I will be exposed to the full wrath of your demand for evidence in due course - not that I will tolerate your cherry picking of my own arguments for attention.
I trust I shan't be hearing anymore of this tripe again.

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iano
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Message 161 of 201 (318836)
06-07-2006 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by robinrohan
06-07-2006 5:15 PM


Re: Whats wrong with bias?
I read somewhere that you are an English teacher. Talk about a chance to influence the hearts and minds. Do you like your job?

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iano
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Message 165 of 201 (319251)
06-08-2006 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by robinrohan
06-08-2006 6:35 AM


The hand the rocks the cradle..
I don't know that I want to influence anybody as regards their fundamental beliefs. My job is to teach them how to write better and force them to read books they don't want to read. My job is ok. There are certainly a lot worse jobs in this world. I'm not complaining.
You don't think a persons worldview might influence the way in which the (presumably) proscribed books are read? Is there any flexibility in what you prescribe as reading material and which material do you promote in that case?
Say the title of an essay you give as homework
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
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Message 167 of 201 (319256)
06-08-2006 7:44 PM
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06-08-2006 7:31 PM


Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
Langston Hughes Salvation
656 (2)
Edward Rivera First Communion
658 (13)
Plato The Allegory of the Cave
671 (3)
Henry David Thoreau Where I Lived, and What I Lived For
674 (9)
Martha Nussbaum The Idea of World Citizenship in Greek and Roman Antiquity
683 (14)
Virginia Woolf The Death of the Moth
697 (3)
Annie Dillard Sight into Insight
700 (10)
Gilbert Highet The Mystery of Zen
710 (9)
Jean-Paul Sartre Existentialism
This is what I meant about your own world view (or the world view of Norton) influencing hearts and minds. Assuming you cannot assign every essay in the list, you could pick the first essay title on the list. Or the last. Your worldviews choice I imagine.
What age is comp 1
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Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
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Message 170 of 201 (319264)
06-08-2006 8:02 PM
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06-08-2006 7:56 PM


Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
Say you had a particular worldview which you knew to be the right one (as opposed to one which you held to but weren't sure of). Would you expose your students to the total array of worldviews or would you seek to influence them to your worldview in so far as that was open for you to do?
Edited by iano, : question answered

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iano
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Message 174 of 201 (319272)
06-08-2006 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by robinrohan
06-08-2006 8:16 PM


Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
I understand the sentiment - but it doesn't answer the question asked.

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iano
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Message 176 of 201 (319276)
06-08-2006 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by nwr
06-08-2006 8:15 PM


Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
A worldview that hold all worldviews to be possibilities is a worldview - is it not?

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iano
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Message 178 of 201 (319279)
06-08-2006 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by robinrohan
06-08-2006 8:34 PM


Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
But such a situation is possible - it is possible (even probable)that only one worldview is correct. As is that you know it to be the case. Say you knew it with the same certainty that the world is round, but your students hadn't that information. Should (or would) you teach that cubical, flat, diamond-shaped Earths are equally possible options? Or would you point them to the evidence that convinced you?
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
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Message 179 of 201 (319281)
06-08-2006 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by robinrohan
06-08-2006 8:40 PM


Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
Which worldviews do you exclude as possibilities? Say your top 3
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
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Message 182 of 201 (319292)
06-08-2006 9:03 PM
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06-08-2006 8:55 PM


Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
What do you want me to do? Teach nihilism to my students? I'm not going to do that.
The question didn't suppose something being taught which is not adhered to with certainty. It would be unfair to influence your students on something you weren't sure of yourself. I'm glad your type exists on the plantet. The world would be worse off without you.
We talk about predestination and such.
Spare a beggar a dime?
What's wrong with that?
Apart from not answering a not-unreasonably-posed question then I suppose nothing at all.

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iano
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Message 183 of 201 (319296)
06-08-2006 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by nwr
06-08-2006 8:59 PM


Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
You should get out of this bad habit of ascribing motives to people.
As you should supposing that English Teacher is some absolute entity which usurps all else. A person finds something which they come to understand usurps all else and they are meant to subvert this to a "job title". But, per definition, the job title is subserviant to what they have found out. Then what?

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iano
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Message 194 of 201 (319505)
06-09-2006 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 192 by arachnophilia
06-09-2006 10:16 AM


Re: Whats wrong with bias?
one of the rules here is that you must back up your points with evidence. what evidence can there be for matters of faith?
Logic, reason, observations of the world around us. These can be added to the argument. I don't think one should arbitarily limit evidence to be of a certain class in order for the evidence to be evidence. That imposes ones worldview on things- arbitarily
the problem is that equality isn't actually possible in the real world, because the two parties themselves have competing standards of what is acceptable.
I agree. And if someone wants to say "Godidit" then that is as good an evidence as any. The reason not to default to such responses would be so that discussion would be promoted - it serves any view to find areas of common evidential ground in order that both points of view may be better transmitted. There is no need for a two-tier system. The person who inappropriately resorts to Godidit when faced with a reasoned argument won't find many people to debate with. The problem will solve itself.
No one is forced to debate anyone and all can make up their own minds as to the worthyness of the evidence presented in the context it is presented. That is sufficient control.
besides which, creationists are under represented here. there was a time in not too distant history here that the creationists WERE held to the same standards, and we had next to no creationist participation. it was just plain boring.
So the two-tier system is imposed on the creationist in order that the other side won't be bored. This is even worse than I thought.

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