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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: It's not just your "ilk" who perceive a bias in the moderation here, ian. I, too, have noticed that the people on your side of the fence tend to get quite a free rein, especially regarding using abusive, obsfucative language, or just not debating in good faith, compared to those on my side. That's coz the anti-evolution (often also religious) folks are so hard to keep around if they are held to the same standards of behavior as the science-minded folks. Believe me, I've been an EVC member since it was a Yahoo club, and that's how it's always been. Edited by schrafinator, : fixt splelling
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Like I said, and you have just demonstrated, people on your side of the fence are not pressed to debate in good faith, and are allowed to persist in bad habits such as avoidant or obsfucative responses like the above. For years have I observed this.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: While it is true that individuals cannot, as you say, ever be completely free of bias, I really must say that my experience as members of boards moderated by both evos and YEC's are VERY different. Evo moderated boards, especially this one, allow a much, much greater diversity of opinion, generally welcome honest and vigorous debate while discouraging flaming. The YEC board experiences I have had are quite the opposite. Poor quality debate, refusal to address points was acceptable, any persistence was considered "rude", censoring and deletion of posts which would be lauded as POTM here are commonplace. Perhaps the "bias" of the two camps is that in the evo's case, excellent debate for it's own sake is appreciated and the very existence and documentation of the beliefs of others, although disagreed with, are not considered a threat to one's own to be erased as it seems to be in the YEC's case.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
If I were a creationist, I could now abuse you visciously, break all of the forum guidelines for daring to question me, and be tolerated by moderators.
But, as it is, I am not a creationist, so a higher standard of behavior is expected of me. I feel as though such requirements ultimately serve me better than they serve the creationist.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Perhaps not. Your "sister" does, though. Support of her and silence in the face of her actions is the same as saying what she does.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Like I said. Staying silent on her views while voicing your support for her indicates to everyone else that you share her views and endorse her way of presenting them.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: It matters not what the other side feels is the case, randman. It matters what can be shown to be the material difference in the way the two sorts of camps operate. It is a fact that there is a greater diversity of thought allowed here compared to YEC boards. It is a fact that there is no censorship, editing, banning of members, nor deletion of posts here for no other reason than the moderators do not agree with the views of the poster, as is frequently the case on YEC boards. I have never found a YEC board which actively recruits and allows equal and active participation by evolutionist moderators.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Indeed, I would be very interested in joining a YEC board that is even more fair and even better moderated than this one.
Which sites are those, randman?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: For starters, it would not censor, edit or delete posts for content. It would actively recruit, and treat as equals, evo moderators. It would have a set of forum guidelines in which good debate practices were encouraged.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I don't know if a YEC site would do these things, and it is a poor debate tactic to try to change the subject, iano. It probably wouldn't get so far as to have any of these perceived problems because it would have censored, edited, and deleted posts for content, banned posters for disagreeing effectively with YECers, exluded evos from being moderators altogether, and it's set of forum rules and guidelines would not concern itself with encouraging good debate practices but would instead be designed to give the YEC mods absolute authoritarian power without any attempt at fairness.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Hey, I'd love to discuss science with YECers, but they often seem to avoid those threads because in the EvC science threads there is a requirement to back up one's claims with evidence. You haven't been here as long as many of the people you have been discussing this issue with, Ian. Back before this rule was put into place creationists often (and I mean often) would debate dishonestly, doing the "Gish Gallop": posting question after question, all based upon misunderstandings of science. The questions were answered, the science explained, the math shown, sources, references and links to further reading provided, all to no avail.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: It pretty much is super tolerant of those views. It is also quite tolerant of the abusive behavior and poor debate of the who profess such views. Views and behavior are not the same thing.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, you see it unfolding like this: 1) You provide links to YEC sites which you believe are better moderated than EvC. 2) Several of us Evo moderators go over there, join, begin discussion, find out that you are right. 3) We are so angry that you, randman, pointed us to these sites with superior moderation that, in a terrible fit of pique, we verbally abuse you. 4) You will then be utterly forced to meekly respond to all of this abuse, at which point we will kick you to the curb for even daring to object to your terrible treatment. Is this the inevitable course of events as you see them? Please. Nobody is fooled by this tactic. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I was banned from a Creationist site for daring to disagree with the owner/moderator. I was suspended after only a week or so of engaging in normal debate. After being permenently banned, another board made up of people who had been banned by this particular tyrant contacted me to become a member. Imagine, this guy had banned so many people that they could populate their own debate board. I declined to join. I don't believe in living in the past
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yes, it is. Let's go talk about science, Ian. Pick a thread, and I'll be there with bells on, just let me know. What's that? You don't want to discuss science? Oh, well, I guess I'll have to make due with other conversation.
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