Too much moderation on these boards?

There are not that many people truly capable and willing to be unbiased. By that I mean that first people generally reflect a bias based on their beliefs regardless of what they themselves think, and secondly, it is rare to even find people COMPLETELY willing to be unbiased in their exercise of authority (even as mods) at any level, judges, police, politicians, beaurocrats, etc,....in certain situations. For example, you may be a great teacher that grades liberals and conservatives equally, but could be so passionate on the issue of, say, the evo debate or some other subject that this same person cannot truly be objective.With that being said, if most of the mods or most people in any group with some "authority" to do something, or most if not nearly all active mods, are evolutionists, it is natural that there will be a bias in that direction. This is not meant to be an offensive charge to rile anyone up, but I think if all the mods were young earth creationists, you would see a bias in the other direction.

I would say the Showcase forum is needed. I probably would not have returned without this new forum (though the thread I am on may need another good evo poster along with WK) if the forum did not exist that limited some folks from being involved, and even though I have had some very public differences with percy, I think his idea here will work. In a curious manner, I think his insistence that the moderation by him on that board will be, for lack of a better word, autocratic, will ironically make it likely to work better, at least for that one forum.The reason is that there won't be appeals, discussion, etc,....about the moderation which thus far I don't think have yielded much fruit, and if he bans someone or something, he can just say, on this forum, it doesn't matter. No explanations given and no discussion.Of course, it could still turn out badly, but I'd like to have some discussions not based on simply vilifying the opposition which too often seems to be the way these things go.Edited by randman, : No reason given.

As I am sure the other side feels exactly as you do in reverse...

Not interested in arguing with you shraf. My reference to "feel" really was simply trying to be nice and point to human nature's approach to bias. Just about every non evo here thinks the exact opposite can be shown than what you "feel" is the case.On the YEC boards I have visited, for example, I think the moderation has been more evenhanded than here, but what's the point of arguing with you over it.

I am a little surprised at your responses since if you look at my comments on human nature, I think it's fairly non-inflammatory and accurate. It seems that instead of assisting in trying to maintain some civility, you guys want to take it in the other direction. I would just point out that in the past, I have not been treated favorably and some of admins have taken GREAT offense at substantiating bias here at Evc.Do you really want me to begin substantiating specific instances of bias here with other sites and degrees of liberty there?I post on this site for one reason only, the traffic and so likelihood or potential for discussion. By insisting I bring up sites I think have better moderation from the creationist side, you are asking me to engage you on a topic that you are near guaranteed to lose all civility over, engage in the worst name-calling as you have in the past, and if I respond, you will simply ban me.Sorry, but no thanks.My comments on human nature and bias are observations I am unsure how a reasonable person could disagree with, but for those that do, that's your perogative. I am sure the Freepers think the DUers are nuts and vice versa, and if you guys cannot see that sort of thing, you need to get out more...

That's your perception but it's not accurate. Take the last banning. I had broken no rules, and you and several admins levelled personal accusations,calling me "poison", etc.....and breaking several rules in the process. If you want to believe somehow creationists and critics here are worse behaved, you and the evos are deluding themselves.Heck, whole threads can be started here denigrating the character of your critics in the worse manner (see for Evo-eyes only thread), and not only did you guys promote it, but you defend it as well as reasonable. I submit to you that if we changed the names around, Hades would freeze over before the topic would see the light of day, and moreover, I'd say half or more of the evos including the admins would be banned right off the bat.I don't really want to get into this, but try reading some of the charges levelled against your critics as if they were levelling the same charges against you and be honest, how long would they last?