Atheism is a belief (Why Atheists don't believe part 2)

So you've never seen a baby get scared about something that wasn't himself? Then don't believe what I say, or anyone else. Read the bible on it, and then ask God yourself. To me it's obvious where children get to go, they are innocent. Not really. If there is a God, then there is a time and a place for each one of his strategies. There was a time when Christ's views did not exist for us.I can't effectively judge that.

My humble suggestion,,stick to the red letters (the ones Jesus spoke), if they start to ring true with you, then I think it's a good start.To me, life is covered up with lies. It seems to be a "game" that God has put us through to try and figure them out. Or maybe it's just a learning experience, so we can take it to the next level. But clearly there are things that are wrong here on earth.I feel I have experienced a whole lot of truth and wisdom from the Holy Spirit, yet my worldly views and ignorant ways keep getting in the way. I guess that is what is meant by "faith".To me it's not easy learning about God's ways, and diminishing my own, but everything that is worth while in life has a period of learning to go through.

If your going to exert something, you have to back it up with a reason.The bible exists, that is a fact.

I don't think dogma is limited to being static.Religions have changed much over the years, while some have stayed the same. Religion has had to adapt to our changing society.And I don't see how you are making a connection between science and atheism. We have discussed here a true scientist would be agnostic.I think being agnostic is not a belief, because you are unsure what to believe in, or open to any viable suggestions.

Just to be clear, I am not making that notion.But I am saying that school doesn't leave you with much else to believe in. They certainly do not give God a fair chance, and if they did, it would be against our constitution.Our logical decsions we make about life are based on what we know.

No, I am backing up what I originally acerted is a "true atheist". One who has never heard of God, or does not inherently feel one exists.A default position can only be attained when we reach theory of mind?
I'll agree with that, since I can't prove anything else. It is irrelevant to the conversation. Not being able to believe doesn't make you an atheist.

Well I've always associated dogma with religion. Religion seems to be man's interpretation of the truth. Doesn't seem to matter what the truth actually is.Those religious views have had to change over the years. Maybe not at the same rate that science changes, but it does change. This has no bearing on what the truth actually is.I look at scienc the same way. Right now we see things a certain way. It has no bearing what the truth of those things actually is. We just have theories. Theory is like a religion.The difference is most scientist will tell you theories can change, and most religious people will tell you that their religion won't change. But not all.I belong to a religion that is willing to change to meet the needs of our society, but very carefully. It's not science, and your dealing with peoples feelings, not test tubes.
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Well not in most cases, but it is possible.If I were to share our core set of relational values with you from our church, you would find a set of rules that are based on our best interpretation of the bible and made from love. Every year we review them, to see if they are working. If we find something wrong with one of the rules, then we can change it. Not unlike changing a variable within a theory. They are always under scrutiny and subject to change.

Not being able to believe, means just that.Dictionary.com has the definition of atheist as this:
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.You can't disbelieve if you can't believe.
You could be neither a theist, or an atheist.

This would only apply for those who take the bible literally. Which I have deemed impossible, since we don't have the original translation.One of the things that used to preplex me about the bible, is all the translations. But now I think it is neccessary as one greek word can have many meanings, hence all the translations.Add that thought to this one: Many people can read the same line in the bible, and it can mean something different to them.But the bible is always being updated with new versions to match the language. Hopefully the message is not lost, but our interpretation can change. But even the bible is dogma, only Jesus was truth, and the bible is the only thing we have to go on. If you can prove to me that Jesus wasn't truth, then I may change my mind, and call myself crazy.

It's right there in black and white. Not only did I remember what I typed, I gave a link to it. It’s not my fault if you didn't get it, that is why I directed you to it again, so you know exactly what I was talking about. I always get attacked about my spelling here on this board. I really don't care how I spell things, but I have learned that to be taken seriously, you should put some effort in your spelling, especially if your going to tell me to take English, and then miss-spell the word.It will add to your credibility. I guess you only go off-topic when you think it's ok?
Don't dodge the question, and then you'll see just how on-topic it is.Oh, and I ain't your son. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner. Not only can he prove something, he can prove there is no God with a single post in an internet forum. WOW! How do you do it, what's your secret, please share it with all of us, here is some of what you said:

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It's also plainly obvious that god does not

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exist, and is just as childish.

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It's plainly obvious, that's brilliant, you should be a professor!Here's another excerpt from Message 213

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because maker-man did not create him

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Oh...because, WOW, how prophetic

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To hope for

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absolution, for wrongs you have done, from any deity, is immature.

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Hey, you confused with being forgiven by men with being forgiven by God, and then called it immature. Well that proves there is no God, I am convinced. Tomorrow, I will start living my life as if there was no God, because of....well because of.....shit, I just don't know why because?I guess your above God, and the scientific method, a new first! Ok, let's clarify again. I am not prejudice against atheist.Was that simple enough?I am not prejudice against anyone, as far as I know. If I am, then it is in ignorance, and I need to improve myself. Matthew 21:12
[ Jesus at the Temple ] Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.Well, He would either explain to me why I am wrong and feel I am right, or tell me I was right, and forgive me either way, as I would try to forgive you. Well the rest of your post was filled with colorful boxes and quotes and things, but I don't think it said much, so I won't even address it. I think if you read through this post, and some of my others, you might find out a little more about me. Just click on my name, and you can access every post I've ever written. You won't agree with many things I said, and I won't agree with you, but by no means do I hate you, or anyone else here.As far as finding my way, I am doing just fine. I am 40 years old, have 5 kids, a leader in a Christian rock band, vice president of Hope for the Nations US, own my own HVAC and plumbing business, own my own little log cabin on a lake upstate NY, and I love my family. I think I am doing just fine.You are new here, and most of us come in here making outrageous assertions, as I did too, so I give you the benefit of the doubt. If you last here, you'll make a fine addition to the community. We can all learn from each other, and experience joy in discussing each others opinions, and known facts.

Oops, sorry, saw this after I did my last reply. I hope it was civilized enough, and I was trying to bring peace to it, in my closing statement.

dogma:
# A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church.
# An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true. See Synonyms at doctrine.
# A principle or belief or a group of them: “The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present” (Abraham Lincoln).I think your statement falls under this part: An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion,As by your own admission: This is an open and painfully honest statement of my beliefI don't see the difference...

I've taken some college courses, but never experienced this in college, only in high school. Some of my friends have experienced it in college though, I wouldn't call it propaganda.

Ok, I got it now.