Atheism is a belief (Why Atheists don't believe part 2)

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The only way you could be a true atheist, is if you have never heard the word God, and you have no inner feeling that there is one. The thought has never crossed your mind.

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Well, that would be everyone on the face of the planet.Everyone is born an Athiest.Culture creates, teaches, and and reinforces supernatural/religious belief.

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hallelujah.

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I assume that this is some kind of attempt at mockery but I confess that I don't understand it's meaning.

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The only shows in town are a belief in God or something else.

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Are Buddhists Athiests, then?

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Atheist = sinner.

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Says you.I don't believe in sin.

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There is a difference. Direct evidence of a sunset needs no interpretation.

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Yes, it does.If 1000 people observe the same sunset and describe it independently, do you think they will each use exactly and precisely the same words, notice the same things in exactly the same way?No, each of them will interpret their experience.

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There it is in alls its objective reality.

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Nope.

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Indirect? Now that takes some interpretation. One cannot mistake a sunset observed

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Sure you can.

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I didn't say someones account of a sunset was objective (any more than my account of God is). But the sunset is objective. It can be observed by those able to observe.

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What you said was:

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Direct evidence of a sunset needs no interpretation.

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As soon as anyone sees the sunset, it is being interpreted by their brain.How do you know the susnset is happening unless it is through someone's experience of it?

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Something doesn't have to be described in order for it to be objective Schraf - unless you figure different.

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If it cannot be described then how do you know it exists?

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I think means that disbelief comes because of the persons desire to disbelieve.

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Well, I didn't "desire" to disbelieve in God any more than I desired to disbelieve in Santa Claus.They were just some beliefs I grew out of, one when I was 7 and the other when I was in my early twenties.

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Truth tends to be kind of black and white FC. Truth isn't a shade of Phat-like grey. God exists or he doesn't, there is no grey about it.

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Unless you are saying that you are infallible and omnicient, there is indeed gray in your situation.You could be wrong.

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Wow, you believed in Santa till you were in your twenties? Must have been a brutal come down.

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You have no idea.

Preach to somebody else, Ian, I've lived through several decades of it and that's plenty for anyone.How arrogant of you to presume to inform me of the message of Christianity when I was one for over half of my life.

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I don't say every word I say is inerrant. I only suspect my writing to be inspired

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Also an arrogant presumption.But hey, I am often struck by the vagueness, self-contradictions and baseless claims which crowd your posts and the similarity to the Bible they so demonstrate, so you might have something there.

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Just some things are right. Like He exists.

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Of course, you could be wrong about that.

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You were a Christian? Hmmm.

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Whats a Christian Schraf? (talk about me setting 'em up and you knock 'em down! An valiant attempt at an objective answer would be appreciated however)

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I believed in God and that Jesus was his son and died for my sins so that I could have eternal life in heaven.Is that Christian enough for you?

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I suspect it would have been very tough for you to carry on believing with all those doubts running riot upstairs.

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Not exactly. I really didn't have any sort of agonizing struggle or deep anguish over it.

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I know that I was close to the change and it was very difficult to deny my own musings and stay faithful.

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There was no way I could have remained faithful to the Christian version of God, it had become far too silly to me.I think the closest thing I could possibly entertain as a religious view would be a very weak interest in Buddhism, except that I disagree with the idea that one should strive to quell one's desires.I like my desires too much to give them up, so Buddhism proper is not for me. However, I do like the general principles of behavior and the guilt-free nature of the philosophy. Very kind and humane. Nothing like Christianity.

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In college they seem to present a case against God.

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What the hell are you talking about?I went to a 4-year liberal arts college and never once did any professor ever "make any case against God".In fact, in several of my history courses we learned of various religious beliefs, and never once did the professor ever say (or even remotely imply), "and by the way, these are false religions."Did you ever go to a secular college, rat, or are you just repeating propaganda again?Edited by schrafinator, : kan't sepl

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When a professor in college stands in front of a class, and says "prove God exists" you got dogma.

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OMG, ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Fantastic, utterly fantastic.

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I have already signed up to be on CrashFrog's welcoming committe and have a place set for him at the great fish fry and BBQ.

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Can I come too if I bring a triple batch of my grandmother's recipe for potato salad?