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nwr
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Message 211 of 302 (316343)
05-30-2006 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by riVeRraT
05-30-2006 2:23 PM


Re: On 'isms' and redness
In college they seem to present a case against God.
I must have missed that class.
When a professor in college stands in front of a class, and says "prove God exists" you got dogma.
Are you sure that wasn't a class in apologetics at a theological seminary?

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Message 212 of 302 (316345)
05-30-2006 4:28 PM
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05-30-2006 2:23 PM


Re: On 'isms' and redness
When a professor in college stands in front of a class, and says "prove God exists" you got dogma/
I'll add my voice to the others who have replied, no such thing happened in any of my university years. Hell I had a chemistry prof who mentioned god often, his favorite response to a stupid question was "god gave you a brain to think with and a mouth to talk with, and he wanted you to use them in that order".

Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

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alacrity fitzhugh
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Message 213 of 302 (316368)
05-30-2006 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by riVeRraT
05-30-2006 1:55 PM


Hi riverrat thanks for the welcome.
This seems to be a programed response about whether God exists or
not. IT's getting tiresome. You'll have to do some more reading in these
forums, as we have covered topics like that.
If your tired of the response then don't ask the question. Funny I
read alot how about you? It's also plainly obvious that god does not
exist, and is just as childish.
Like santa.
Shot I just saw I misspelled uninformed. Anyway that was a dodge to
the left right? I was talking about you.
Thank you, that is the response I was looking for.
Your welcome.
Who said anything about voices?
You did!
the only way you could be a true atheist, is if you have
never
heard the word God, and you have no inner feeling that there is one.
The thought has never crossed your mind.
You said 'heard the word' plus 'inner feeling', and then you enfored that the thought had never crossed my mind
Another pre-programmed response that they must teach in college
these days.
Come now young man my wife is a diest my dad is an elder at his church
my two daughters go to church;who in your mind programmed me.
The possibilities that we exist are slim and none, but we are hear.
Do like the evolutionist do, and just throw the term "millions of
years" and you have an answer for anything. While it is "plainly"
obvious how long the universe has been around, what was here before
it, and what evolved into God as we know it? Look how far we've come
in just such a short time. We are little gods.
Why can't God be a possibility?
1) We do exist so it is not slim to none!
2) because maker-man did not create him
3) How was colledge I never went.
4) Who ever claimed,besid manson in my monkee,that we are little gods
That's a piss poor exuse to not believe in God, I won't accept it.
We are not gods, we are just like you
Piss poor or not maybe you should start working on yourself first.
Ah, but have you ever wondered?
No. My life,and all my actions I am accountable for. To hope for
absolution, for wrongs you have done, from any deity, is immature.
Take care of now now.Also when you do something you regret later in
life, be an adult and accept the responsibilities of your actions!

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riVeRraT
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Message 214 of 302 (316430)
05-30-2006 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by PaulK
05-30-2006 2:37 PM


Re: On 'isms' and redness
It is at most an instruction, not a tenet of belief and even if it were simply being said by a professor of something wouldn't make it dogma.o
Have you been reading this thread, and the one that started this one?
There are clearly terms and sayings like "pink unicorn", and "santa", which I consider dogma of an atheist.

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riVeRraT
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Message 215 of 302 (316431)
05-30-2006 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by ramoss
05-30-2006 2:45 PM


Can you show me physical evidence that this holy spirit exists, and you have received it? If not, then your experiance is entirely subjective.
Yes. The function of the Holy Spirit is associated with 9 gifts.
The fruit of the spirit is love.
If you knew me before, and knew me now, you could easily objectively measure those changes.
I also look ten years younger
Can you show physical proof that 'God' actually exists except from outside your feelings, and the circular arguement of 'god created everything, something exists, therefore god'? reasoning?
I believe I can. The problem is you won't subject yourself to the test with 100% heart.

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riVeRraT
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Message 216 of 302 (316432)
05-30-2006 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by CK
05-30-2006 3:24 PM


Re: someone the direct answer is the best answer.
Yes, I think everything is eternal.
But it's just a speculation.

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riVeRraT
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Message 217 of 302 (316435)
05-30-2006 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Parasomnium
05-30-2006 3:47 PM


Re: Dogma in college
You'll have to provide some context and an explanation of how "prove God exists" leads to the conclusion of dogma.
Isn't it plainly clear that in a secular college you will learn about all the reasons why God doesn't exist, and in a Christian one, you will learn the opposite?
Why is the Christian one dogma?

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nwr
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Message 218 of 302 (316437)
05-30-2006 11:11 PM
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05-30-2006 11:05 PM


Re: Dogma in college
Isn't it plainly clear that in a secular college you will learn about all the reasons why God doesn't exist, ...
No, that isn't plainly clear at all. I cannot think of any class that would teach that God does not exist.
I think you are making this up.

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Message 219 of 302 (316439)
05-30-2006 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by alacrity fitzhugh
05-30-2006 6:32 PM


You said 'heard the word' plus 'inner feeling', and then you enfored that the thought had never crossed my mind
Sure...your a poster atheist.
Come now young man my wife is a diest my dad is an elder at his church
my two daughters go to church;who in your mind programmed me.
You learned from your wife, and your dad, and your 2 daughters in college?
1) We do exist so it is not slim to none!
Careful there, your stealing my lines.
I hate odds. I hate surveys.
If the odds of winning the lotto are 1,000,000 to 1, and you wiin on your first try, then that wasn;t the odds for you then, was it?
The odds that we shouldn't exist are made up by people like Carl Sagan, and the like, not me.
When scientist make claims like that, yet we are here, it makes me wonder.
3) How was colledge I never went.
Seems that way.
It's not a lock that you would come up with tewrms like that in college.
Either way, you are new here, and semantics are not welcome, at l;east not with me. Your best bet at an intelligent conversation with me will be honesty, other wise it will cease, I don't have time for it.
If you are interested in getting real, then I will too.
No. My life,and all my actions I am accountable for. To hope for
absolution, for wrongs you have done, from any deity, is immature.
Take care of now now.Also when you do something you regret later in
life, be an adult and accept the responsibilities of your actions!
Your giving yourself away.

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riVeRraT
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Message 220 of 302 (316440)
05-30-2006 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by nwr
05-30-2006 11:11 PM


Re: Dogma in college
No, that isn't plainly clear at all. I cannot think of any class that would teach that God does not exist.
I think you are making this up.
right, I never went to school.
It is that way in NYC. They leave you with no choice but not to believe, or at least question it.

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alacrity fitzhugh
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Message 221 of 302 (316445)
05-30-2006 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by riVeRraT
05-30-2006 1:55 PM


Hello rr had to go pick up wife lets continue:
Define reality
The topic is about why I believe in athiesm. I dont have a belief in
athiesm ;I'm an athiest because ther is no god. And you don't want to
accept the truth of my being!
Don't pretend to me,
To pretend is to practice in a decietful manner. Why would you suggest
I partake in something that would dishonor my ancestors? But still no
god.
I can hate, I am human.
The question was is that what you were taught to follow. Turn the
other cheek, love thy neighbor. Not 'I can hate I'm human'.

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nwr
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Message 222 of 302 (316447)
05-30-2006 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by riVeRraT
05-30-2006 11:15 PM


Re: Dogma in college
right, I never went to school.
I haven't asserted that.
It is that way in NYC. They leave you with no choice but not to believe, or at least question it.
Who is the "they" you are referring to? Are you talking about a class you took, or are you referring to back alley talk among students?
If it is a class, then name the class.
By just making assertions, with no checkable details, you come across as making it up.

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alacrity fitzhugh
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Message 223 of 302 (316451)
05-30-2006 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by riVeRraT
05-30-2006 11:13 PM


ure...your a poster atheist.
No god in that statement but continue
You learned from your wife, and your dad, and your 2 daughters in
college?
Do you need remidal english. You implied I was
preprogrammed(brainwashed) into an athiestic belief. I showed you I
.
am surronded by loving caring christians unlike you.
Careful there, your stealing my lines.
I hate odds. I hate surveys.
If the odds of winning the lotto are 1,000,000 to 1, and you wiin on y
our first try, then that wasn;t the odds for you then, was it?
No god in that statement but continue
How was colledge I never went.
Seems that way.
This justifies the remedial english comment. Tell me, first you imply
I went to college and was programmed; then when you fall on your face
you do an ad hominem atack.
So did you enjoy your post. Still do not believe in god and now am of
the opinion you just want to talk to your self.
Let us see I don't believe I dont have a belief in athiesm. But you in
your infinite wisdom( your comment abe about your selfpost 222)
right, I never went to school
decided
that I was pretending and uneducated(your comment abe about yourself post 222)
It is that way in NYC. They leave
you with no choice but not to believe, or at least question it.
Edited by randy feagley, : added comment to show he said it about himself not about me in quotes

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Message 224 of 302 (316474)
05-31-2006 1:54 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by iano
05-29-2006 2:24 PM


Re: Objectivity
iano
he son is as much God as is the father. The Father sacrificed his son and punished him instead of us. God punished God. God punished himself
And this removes the quality of madness how?

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Message 225 of 302 (316476)
05-31-2006 2:05 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by riVeRraT
05-30-2006 10:59 PM


Re: On 'isms' and redness
Yes I have been reading the thread.
Now can you explain why inventing a fiction which doesn't even feature an atheist dogma supports the view that there are atheist dogmas ?

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