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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
Perhaps you could rephrase - right now I am definitely missing something because your statement above seems like language-game doublespeak; as in, "there is no place for morality in law except when there is a place for morality".
there is no place in law for morality.
What if studies showed the opposite - that other children were unaffected, or positively affected, by medically-guided infanticide on other children? Should a law be enacted to prevent that infanticide?
of course not.
Why is it illegal? Why is it a crime against humanity? Why are you so absolutely sure that this is so heinous that you might just devote your doctoral work to it?
because it specifically infringes on the rights inherent to necessarily an entire group of people. it infringes on their rights. it may be the right thing. maybe it would be 'good' to kill all people with anti-social tendencies. but it's not the "right" thing to do.
Specifically. Is there "law outside of morality"? Really, is there such a thing? Can you come up with a law that is truly separate of morality?
most regulations are amoral. specifically, business regulations are related to preventing businesses from infringing on the rights of other businesses and individuals.
Actually - you are the one that seems crazy, or at least completely arbitrary in your distinctions...
that's entirely possible.
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pink sasquatch Member (Idle past 6053 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: |
there is no place in law for morality. All laws are based upon morality.
pink: What if studies showed the opposite - that other children were unaffected, or positively affected, by medically-guided infanticide on other children? Should a law be enacted to prevent that infanticide? brenna: of course not. Your response makes absolutely no sense in the context of everything else you said. In fact, the very next thing you wrote in your post, when I asked you why eugenics should be outlawed:
because it specifically infringes on the rights inherent to necessarily an entire group of people. it infringes on their rights. it may be the right thing. maybe it would be 'good' to kill all people with anti-social tendencies. but it's not the "right" thing to do. 1. The same exact thing applies to infanticide, which in your previous breath you said should be legal. (I'm making the bold assumption that you would agree that killing two-year-olds "infringes on their rights.") 2. Your argument that "it's not the "right" thing to do" is entirely a moral argument. 3. Your anti-eugenics and pro-infanticide arguments clash, since infanticide would likely be practiced in part in a way that would be considered eugenics.
most regulations are amoral. specifically, business regulations are related to preventing businesses from infringing on the rights of other businesses and individuals. I see quite the opposite. The simple fact that you talk about "rights" in your example demonstrates that the class of regulations are based in morality. To summarize your statements: Eugenics is immoral, therefore it should be internationally banned. Abortion and infanticide are moral, therefore should be permitted. I still don't understand how you reconcile abortion and infanticide practiced in the name of eugenics... Apparently you only see moral arguments as relevant when you are the one making them - until you resolve your personal hyprocrisy, I suggest you stop attacking others for applying their own morality to public law.
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tsig Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
I can't see the justification, of destroying human life, just because some girl wants a thing between her legs, or some guy wants to his wet. This is not a "right" to me. This is what I learned from my experience with it. So it's really the sex that bothers you?
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tsig Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
Clearly it is playing games with life, just to get laid. you do seem obsessed with it.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
1. The same exact thing applies to infanticide, which in your previous breath you said should be legal. (I'm making the bold assumption that you would agree that killing two-year-olds "infringes on their rights.") two year olds are unenfranchised. they have no rights.
2. Your argument that "it's not the "right" thing to do" is entirely a moral argument.
i put "right" in quotes for a reason. it means that it does not fulfill the compromise between rights.
3. Your anti-eugenics and pro-infanticide arguments clash, since infanticide would likely be practiced in part in a way that would be considered eugenics.
no. eugenics is a policy put on by a governing body or opposing group. infanticide would be a parental decision. entirely different. This message has been edited by brennakimi, 04-15-2006 05:32 PM
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
generally.
the real problem is that religious people simply want to tell the rest of us when and how we can have sex. and if we choose to break their rules we have to pay the consequences they deem necessary. if they could inject everyone who has premarital sex with an std cocktail, they would.
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tsig Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
generally. the real problem is that religious people simply want to tell the rest of us when and how we can have sex. and if we choose to break their rules we have to pay the consequences they deem necessary. if they could inject everyone who has premarital sex with an std cocktail, they would. That seems to me to be at the heart of it. Whenever I see someone argue against abortion the "evil woman" card always gets played.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
yep. not only are we sluts, but if we try to be responsible about our procreation, instead of squirting out hungry mouths every month, we're murderers.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
You replied to the wrong post, FYI.
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tsig Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
You replied to the wrong post, FYI. yes I noticed after I posted sorry.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
but then you don't have a uterus and really don't have an opinion. Yes, I do have an opinion.
You want to use abortion as birth control, which to me is the worst form of abortion. bitch piss moan. I am convinced your right now....
no genius. you leave his ass and free yourself of his wretched seed. Maybe if you spent a little more time with him, to find out if his seed is wrecthed or not, you wouldn't have to worry so much about it.
i have a right to intercourse. And there are things that can happen as a result.
you're disgusting. really. have you read the constitution? do you understand what is involved in a discussion of legality? I guess that's where the expression right-to-life came from.
abortion is ending a pregnancy. It's killing life.Life you started from selfish needs. it is a medical procedure. and only the advice of a doctor should be taken when considering what to do about your own subjective reality. SO is cutting you head off for a headache. I think you should give up on the medical procedure BS. By your own definition it is a moral decision first.
your traditions, and whomever's god I hate tradition, God has nothing to do with it, and f@#k James Dobson.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
the real problem is that religious people simply want to tell the rest of us when and how we can have sex. No the real problem is when YOU HAVE SEX, YOU CAN GET PREGNANT!!! Has nothing to do with being an evil woman. This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 04-16-2006 07:33 AM
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: When is it life? At conception? At implantation? When it has a heartbeat? When it has a CNS? When it can survive outside the mother's body?
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
yes. and you want to tell me that i can't have sex until i'm married. and you think that if i do and i get pregnant i should be punished with it. a child as a form of punishment. that's a great way for him to grow up.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
Maybe if you spent a little more time with him, to find out if his seed is wrecthed or not, you wouldn't have to worry so much about it. no. if a man beats you, you leave him. what kind of moron are you?
It's killing life.
yeah and taking antibiotics is killing life and i do that as quickly as possible.Life you started from selfish needs. it's not alive. and even if it was. i have the right to give permission to anyione or anything that wants to use my body, including a fetus. SO is cutting you head off for a headache. I think you should give up on the medical procedure BS. By your own definition it is a moral decision first. gj jeeneeuuuuhhhhsss.medical procedure. A series of steps taken to accomplish an end: a medical procedure; evacuation procedures. moral smoral. i don't care what kind of decision it is. it's not yours to make. you don't have a uterus so you don't have control over one. you haven't a choice.
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