Is Evolutionist Disparagement of Creationism Justified?

I totally agree with you here, Faith for the following reasons:1. Definition of liberal, as to text: not restricted to the literal meaning; free and unconfined, as in liberal interpretation.
2. To be conservative is to preserve the status quo, i.e. to conserve what is written, i.e. tendency for literal interpretation.There is a very large conservative evangelical Christian block in America who are not evolutionists, contrary to Jar's implications. Some of the nations larger and more active churches are evangelical creationists. I'm not sure a lot of Muslims are evolutionists either, but not positive about that.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

Hi Percy. What am I not understanding as to why you opened this thread with this nine page debate which took place nearly two years ago rather than something more up to date and relevant to how things are now? I had only been signed up a couple of months then. After nine pages the thread had pretty much run it's course. IRH's criticism of my argument had some valid points and some which were, imo from his biased viewpoint concerning the Biblical record about pre flood conditions.Btw, Am I acting as though you still think I'm about to leave EvC?

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

Hi Faith. Take courage and hang in there, madear. It's in times like these that you produce some of your best. I've already submitted one of your classic posts in this thread to POM and would like to post another from message 95 which says soooo much in one statement to those who need it, but not sure it would be acceptable to post two for one poster from one thread.Faith's message 95 GEM Such as the enormous piles of layered sediments found all over the world? Such as the prodigious quantities of fossils demonstrating sudden massive death by burial or at least the burial of massive numbers of corpses that had died by drowning? Such as the many beds of dinosaurs and other creatures which demonstrate no normal way dinosaurs would die and be buried, in bunches like that, but certainly are consistent with their having been washed there by torrents of water? Such as the deep canyons at the bottom of the oceans perhaps, or the volcanoes which were released after the release of the "fountains of the deep" opened up channels to the molten areas of the earth?

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How would geologists recognize such evidence given the presuppositions they take with them on their exploratory treks?
GEM: I totally agree with the above and your responses to Percy in post 95. Good job and please don't go away. This's why you're so needed here.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

Schraf, melady, first it's Parasomnium and now it's you who's trying to tell the www that you're spokespeople for us all here on this board. Why do you people do this when it's not true?This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-21-2005 08:38 PM

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

YES! Great post, Sylas, and especially the above two paragraphs. At least they say a lot about what has frustrated me here for a long time. Thanks!

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

The problem though is that we need to assemble a coalition of intelligent design (ID) creationists who have some gumption, if you will and the knowledge and intelligence as you have shown here so as to lend support to one another when it is needed. A few have come on, gotten irritated or discouraged and left, but it takes more than two or three. Our counterparts have sufficient numbers of active members to cover the majority of the threads, so as when one of their's needs help it's usually there. We are so scanty few that it's all we can do to keep up on a thread or two with a number of counterparts to keep up with. The other side doesn't have that problem. I think of the Great Debate thead's thread following it where nearly my entire posting time was consumed in keeping up with one after another of my opponents and this went the duration of 300 plus posts with practically no support. Then in the end after all that and I got a warning, the stuff hit the fan and I about left until we got it hasseled out in another long drawn out thread. I was sorry to see Mike the Whiz leave, since he did come on and lend support (may God bless'm) quite often. Hopefully he'll be back. Anyhow, I hope you stay and see if we can muster up a team of bonafide ID creos so as to show others that when they come in here there's folks here who really appreciate and support their input. I'm not a bonafide YEC as I have a different take on the first four days of Gen one, but at least I'm ID all the way and a YEC when it comes to living creatures. So we do have much in common to work together with. I'll be praying for you as to your decision as I know you need to spend your time where God wants you most. May God bless you and yours richly, regardless of your decision. One thing for sure, madear, we're not preaching to the choir here. I've never posted in a friendly board of creos where the counterparts are the minority. I like to be up on the line where the action is. I Joined Tweb and posted one post about post trib rapture so far. Last I looked all I got in response was a smiley face from Dede. That's fine though as it looks like she's got her work cut out there.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

You're right, Edge, but it's the minority viewpoint, and particualarly ID folks that's the more likely to get the unsavory ridicule and who are usually on the defensive.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

Edge, Sylas can correct me if mistaken, but imo, this's the very kind of demeaning stuff that Sylas was aluding to. Your statement here is arrogant, meanspirited, false and counterproductive to keeping the peace here in town among counterpart posters. Imo, you'd have done better with the post you said you scrapped, in which you apparently had some refutations to what Faith posted.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

Is Pecos George a YEC? I'm not sure. Who else is there presently who's actively posting as YEC? I don't read a lot of threads to keep up on who's active as a YEC.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

1. If we have nothing to say on the scientific fora, how come then did the two page great debate between jar and me happen as well as an eleven or so page subsequent debate where a host of counterparts and I debated and discussed science as per my hypothesis? And how come nobody was able to refute imperically that my creo hypothesis did not violate any of the three scientific thermodynamic laws, but your BB theory has a TD 1 problem as to origin of energy.2. If we have nothing to say on the scientific fora, why then are we eating up threads debating and discussing the pros and cons of ID vs RM/NS?3. If we have nothing to say on the scientific fora, why are we debating the significance of greenhouse effect, natural disasters, the industrial revolution, melting ice caps, et al relative to latter day Biblical prophecies.4. If we have nothing to say on the scientific fora, why did one thread go the course of 300 plus followed by one or two others on the archeological and geological discoveries in the Mid East relative to the Exodus historical Biblical account?Those are a few of the interesting science related debates which have gone on the past few months with creo alternative arguments to secularistic ideology.You see, Paul, this's what really galls Faith, myself and others, when people like you falsely declare us to be dishonest because we debate science and some other stuff on the basis of a higher source of energy and intelligence we believe to be existing in the universe than the one visible to us in our physical state, a power which we have personally encountered experientially, i.e. the spiritual realm. We see this as the explanation for the complexity of living organisms and beings who's genes have so much informantion in them, et al.This's what we put up with month in and month out as posters here who have the minority view. It's not that we don't have nothing to say on the fora. It's the contempt some of you have when anyone suggests that you may not know all and see all there is to know about what exists.The supernatural is something you experience and it's a nice bonus for us who have experienced it to see it confirmed, not only by the fulfilled prophecies, but in archeology and history.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

Charles, I'm sure this was tongue in cheek, but it's implications are, imo terrible, especially in reference to a family who's religion decries the implications of it. It not only implicates Faith, but her mother.

Imo, these similarities found in different species simply imply a common creator....nothing else. What works for one, sometimes works fine for another with some adjustments to suit. Our counterparts have so precious little to work with that they must grasp at things like this for their alleged evidence.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

Uh, pardon, but as interesting and important as this topic is, Lyndonashmore in the "Tired Light" thread was recently informed that threads were to go the 300 and be closed. Shouldn't admin deal with the proverbial goose here as with the proverbial gander, so as to keep EvC credible?This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-26-2005 04:20 PM

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw