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crashfrog
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Message 311 of 320 (189238)
02-28-2005 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 308 by PecosGeorge
02-28-2005 2:53 PM


If the sugar use defines the Scot, then Angus is a not.
But that's the fallacy - that's not the definition of "Scotsman"; at any rate its certainly not the definition offered at the beginning of the argument. You commit the No True Scotsman fallacy when you redefine something mid-argument in response to a counterexample.
That's why it's such a pernicious fallacy; you commit the fallacy of begging the question while using a fallacy of equivocation to conceal it.
I acknowledge atrocities committed by some who call themselves Christian. There is no biblical directive for Christians to commit atrocities. Therefore, those who do, are not.
Ad-hoc redefinition of "Christian". "Christian" merely refers to those who assert that they follow the teachings of Christ. Whether or not their actions demonstrate that they do follow those teaching is quite irrelevant. They're still Christians if they claim to follow Christ.

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crashfrog
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Posts: 19762
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Message 316 of 320 (189264)
02-28-2005 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 313 by PecosGeorge
02-28-2005 4:12 PM


A scot is born one, regardless of what he eats.
Yes, exactly. And when you redefine "Scotsman" mid-argument, you're committing the fallacies of begging the question and equivocation; that's the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.
A Christian is so by choice.
Right again. The people we're talking about have chosen to be Christians; they've also chosen to do bad things.
You abide by the rules of the club, or you are out, and you can call yourself by the name of it ad infinitum, but you are still out.
Oh, so it's deeds that get you into heaven? Not faith?
I mean, that's really it, isn't it? If you're saying that you can't do bad things and be a Christian, how can anyone be a Christian? Aren't we all sinners? Don't we all do bad things?
You're a sinner, of course - how can we expect to believe that you're a Christian?

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