Islam does not hate christianity

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I'm stumped, but perhaps you don't know that everything that calls itself Christian does not a Christian make. There are loads of non-Christians attending church, non-Christian because they have no clue what it means to be one. They come in all sizes, from pope to pauper, and you can tell a man by his actions and his words. You talk the talk, you walk the walk. Christian terrorists is, therefore, a contradiction in terms.

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This is the "No True Scotsman" logical fallacy.It goes like this:"No true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.Angus MacGregor, who has always lived in Glasgow, puts sugar on his porridge.Angus MacGregor is not a true Scotsman."You are simply redefining, to adhere to our modern cultural sensibilities, what it means to be Christian in order to distance yourself from the atocities committed by Christians.Just because you don't like what some Christians did in the past doesn't mean you now get to say they aren't Christians.They were Christians, because they thought of themselves a Christian, believed in Christ, and believed they were doing God's work. You simply judge them as non Christians by your modern standards of what a good Christian should act like.Tell me, if in a thousand years, cultural standards have changed in that Christinas in the future consider it an abomination and a sin to use the computer, would it be accurate of them to look back at your computer use and declare that you were never a "true Christian?"

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But also, I simply do not trust the reports that come out of Arab, Muslim or even European sources any more. I don't trust Amnesty International, I don't trust the BBC. I think their bias is obvious.

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Tell me, is there any information source critical of Israel that you do trust? IF so, please link to it or list it.

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There is no surface meaning(or deep meaning for that matter) in the Bible that orders the believer to do harm to anyone

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...except when God has ordered it.Right?

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Sometimes there is. God says so.

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So, God just told me that all Jews need to be eliminated, that Hitler was correct, that Jews really are the cause of all of the world's problems.The Final Solution is the One True Way.That's what God says.

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witnesses have historically been counted as evidence by courts, the more the better. Maybe no longer, maybe we've degenerated to the point that such standards are meaningless.

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Actually, the reason eyewitness accounts are now known to be generally ureliable is through our increasing understanding of how the brain deals with memory.It used to be thought that memories were kind of like video tapes, but we now understand that all memories are reconstructions of events. Also, memory is very plastic and maleable and memories are often manipulated and greatly affected by our emotional state, personal prejudices and biases.It is not through any "degeneration" that we don't put as much stock in eyewitness accounts as we used to, but because science has increased our understanding.Let me ask you this;Do you accept the use of DNA evidence in crime investigations and criminal trials?If so, if the DNA of someone identified by a witness, or many witnesses, as being the perpetrator of a crime does not match the DNA gathered at the crime scene, would you ignore the DNA evidence in favor of the witness accounts?There have been many cases of people being exonerated by DNA evidence even though the witnesses are ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE that they correctly identified their rapist or mugger.

Sure, I'll submit it.

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Can you trust your own eyes?

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Didn't you read my post?No, I can't always trust my own eyes.

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See how you make this into a battle of emotion? You tell us "no reason" but you don't know that. Would you execute a person for a crime on the basis of an emotional witness' accusation? Be careful, that's how miscarriages of justice occur all the time.

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Hold it, hold it.Aren't you the same poster who just wrote this?: It seems that you have an ENORMOUS double standard here.

Faith, I'd really like an answer to the following questions:Are there any information sources which are critical of Israel that you accept as reliable? If so, what are they?Are there any information sources supportive of Islam or the Palestinians that you accept as reliable? If so, what are they?This message has been edited by schrafinator, 02-28-2005 08:50 AM

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I don't have such a rule.

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Who said anything about any rules?You have mentioned that thare are many news media outlets that you mistrust, and you have given a list of those that you do trust, and all of them seem to be pretty pro-Israel or anti-Islam/Palestinian.I am asking for examples of information sources that you trust which are critical of Israel or supportive of Islam and the Palestinians.This way, I can be reassured that you are attempting to look at all sides of the issue, which you have admonished others to do in this thread.

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I deal with each point as I see it.

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Yes, but do you seek out information which would disprove what you want to be true?We already know that you trust the pro-Israel sites you list.Are there any information sources which are critical of Israel which you would consider legitimate?If so, what are they?If not, why should we consider your posts anything other than completely biased apologetics for the radical Zionist Iraelis?

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Many witnesses are always better than one, but if they're all on one side of an issue that's unjust. You always have to hear both sides of a story.

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I agree.What information sources critical if Israel do you consider reliable?What information sources supportive of Israel do you reject as unreliable?Please be specific.

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In this case we're being asked to condemn the Israelis without considering their side of the story at all.

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No, not at all.We are considering their side of the story.

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We're asked to take the (one in this case) witness' word for it that there was "no reason" for their action. In fact it is DEMANDED that we take the witness' word for this.

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What would be a good reason for the Israeli army to burn a family's crops and bulldoze their olive trees?Go on, this is your chance, we are listening for the reason for the Israeli's actions.

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The testimony is highly emotional and prejudiced and if we don't agree with the single testimony from this one side we are casting a foul light on the witness' family and so on and so forth.

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Go on, tell us the reason for those actions. We are listening. Tell us, we are begging you, tell us.

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This is classical lynch mob thinking. THIS IS WHY WE HAVE COURTS OF LAW. You CANNOT just hear one side of a story and judge people on that basis.

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I COMPLETELY AGREE!Tell us what reason the Israeli army would have to torch a family's crops and bulldoze their olive trees.Please tell us. Please, please, please.

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My point has been that the ISRAELI side of the story is not heard. ASK THEM for heaven's sake, don't ask me!

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The reason I am asking you, faith, to tell me what the Israeli side of the story is, is because you seem to have your finger on the pulse of the Israeli side of things.Didn't you say that you have been studying it for several years?Surely, being more expert than I am, you must have the ability to form some kind of hypothesis of why the Israeli army would torch a Palestinian family's crops and bulldoze their olive trees, don't you?What is your educated guess as to why they would do that?