Their suffering would stop instantaneously if they cracked down on terrorism among them.
Or in other words, if they just went ahead and accepted their oppressive occupation then they won't be killed. Did you know that most of my cousins were not ALLOWED to go to school for many years. Why is that Faith? Was keeping children from being educated helping to stop terrorism? This is not propaganda, this is what actually happens from the mouths of people who live there, people I know.
Uh huh, and the houses are arsenals or covers for terrorist tunnels. That's always left out as they are presented as just houses. They aren't. And it is they who put their own people in harm's way by putting arsenals in civilian neighborhoods in the first place.
Yea. All them hundreds upon hundreds of houses are ALL terrorists weaponse caches and tunnels. Yea right!
However, Israel is very careful about civilians. All the Israeli military actions are against terrorists and that helps Israel if the bad guys are eliminated, obviously.
You must have missed the part of my story where my family was attacked by Israeli soldiers for no reason. Would you like to repeat your claim that "All the Israeli military actions are against terrorists?" Are you calling my family terrorists?
Yes they are unreasonable. That's all political propaganda you are believing. They are the aggressors, Israel is defending itself. They won't deal with their terrorists so Israel deals with them. I know that goes against political correctness but it is the truth.
Not it is not political propaganda! It is the direct experience of people I know! Innocent Palestinians have been killed or made homeless far more than "terrorists" in the guise of protecting Israel. Thousands of families are homeless in refugee camps. How is making families homeless helping to protect Israel? Were they ALL hording terrorists? You have a hard position to support.
Which is not the case. There is no slaughter. THe military actions are purely self defense, perfectly legal and reasonable actions to keep their people safe from suicide bombers and even then they get through.
Explain to me how shooting children, burning crops, destroying trees, destroying massive quantities of homes is "self-defense". In order for your position to have any merit nearly 50% of all Palestinians must be active terrorists.
You haven't proved it so you've defeated nothing. I can find more evidence if necessary. All you have is your own personal claim.
Actually I have. I am a decendent of a native Palestinian. Therefore there is such a thing as a Palestinian People. Therefore your position is defeated. The end.
This is not so. That is a false moral equivalence. The Palestinians are committing murder, the Israelis are defending themselves. The whole romance of freedom fighters is a lie.
No one is talking about the romance of a freedom fighter. I agree that people who suicide bomb themselves on a bus full of civilians are murderers. But so also are soldiers who bulldoze a house within a person in it who cannot get out. So are soldiers who shoot innocent civilians.
That's a lie too. They are very careful of the civilians. And blame the Palestinians for the occasional accident for cleverly putting their arsenals in civilian neighborhoods which no decent honorable society has ever done.
Do you really want to take the position that things like this have not happened perpetrated by the Israeli army?
Also, explain to me how hundreds upon hundreds of homes, farms, crops, etc were ALL "aresenals" of terrorists. All of them? Really?
I don't know the reasons for every action, but you are judging from effects and not bothering to learn causes. That's unfair.
Unfair! What cause!?!?! My family was just trying to make a living by farming and picking olives like they have done for generations!!! This way of live was destroyed for NO REASON! They did nothing! No one in my family has ever raised a hand to an Israeli and never will! NOT BEING FAIR!!! WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!
Let me paint a different picture for you. Lets say the government goes over to your house, blows up your car, steals all your money, and gets you fired from your job for absolution no reason. You did nothing to provoke it. Its this fair?
Not bother to learn the causes? You tell me the causes Faith? Please tell me why my family was attacked. This should be good.
Only according to the propaganda. You refuse to hear the other side of the story.
No I hear it. I hear someone denying that attrocities occur toward Palestinians. Then I listen to actual Palestinians that I know and they tell a different story of things that have actually happened to them. Then I watch the news and see that stuff like this is happening. Then I pick the side that I believe the most. The side the corresponds to reality.
See above. How can I be expected to justify the individual case? You defend the general Palestinian propaganda, that's all I know.
I am defending actual events that have occurred to people I know who are family. I am not defending anyones propoganda.
How can you justify the individual case? Maybe you missed the point of the rhetorical question. The point is bad stuff is happening to Palestinians BY Israelis for no reason. This is a fact.
BS. Pure BS. They've made agreements in times of peace and broken the peace themselves.
Yea. And they are the only ones. Sure...
I'm sorry but it is you who are misinformed and unwilling to hear the other side of the story.
I hear it just fine Faith. I just know that very little of it is true from direct observation.
This message has been edited by Jazzns, 02-24-2005 18:13 AM
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