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Message 102 of 247 (137217)
08-26-2004 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Silent H
08-26-2004 8:05 PM


yep
just think, success beyond his wild (I wouldn't say 'wildest') dreams on the towers topped by the image of the leader of "the great satan" sitting dumb-founded, not knowing what to do ...
... a striking image of leadership, all right.

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Message 108 of 247 (137359)
08-27-2004 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Silent H
08-27-2004 6:01 AM


running
And its not like he's just some average joe, he was supposedly a trained fighter pilot, used to dealing with emergencies (look at him foster that illusion with the flightsuit wearing), and ran (as well as is running) as a LEADER.
Then when he finally gets up off the wet chair where does he go? Central Command? nope. It's run and hide on AF1. And the idea that AF1 was a target is just too funny an excuse.
It appears that all the leadership on 911 was coming from Cheny -- look at the transcripts of who was communicating to the chiefs of staff? Is that why they didn't want the 911 commission or why they went together?
Perhaps they should switch positions this time.

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Message 110 of 247 (137426)
08-27-2004 3:57 PM
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08-27-2004 2:25 PM


Re: running
conspiracy 101?

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Message 112 of 247 (137429)
08-27-2004 3:59 PM


spanking
for those that would like to take out a little frustration with a little aggressive action:
http://www.spankbush.com/

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Message 113 of 247 (137624)
08-28-2004 12:28 PM


Web of Connections ...
Bush says there are no connections between his campaign and the swift boat veterans ("SBV" in the chart linked below)
From http://www.johnkerry.com/...room/releases/pr_2004_0826b.html
Kerry-Edwards campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill wrote the following letter to Bush-Cheney campaign manager Ken Mehlman today:
Dear Mr. Mehlman:
For three weeks now, your campaign has been saying there are no ties between the Bush campaign and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. But the web of connections grows wider and wider every day. Yesterday we saw confirmation of another connection when your general counsel, Benjamin Ginsberg, was forced to resign for providing legal advice for this group.
Enclosed you will find a chart that makes clear the web of connections between President Bush and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. Now that you have this chart and the accompanying fact sheet to back it up, I wanted to ask you several specific questions that deserve your prompt response.
(Read the whole article for those questions)
These questions go to the heart of why so many people now believe that Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is nothing more than a front group for the Bush-Cheney campaign. The longer President Bush waits to specifically condemn this smear, the more it looks like he’s behind it.
See the following link for the chart (pdf document)
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/web_of_connections.pdf
Any questions?

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Message 114 of 247 (137703)
08-28-2004 5:39 PM


Pied Piper
why does it seem that a lot of voters are following urple href=http://www.indiana.edu/~librcsd/etext/piper/>The Pied Piper of Hamelin (click)?
There can be no other reason to vote for bush given the failures and mistakes and the lack of policies that even supporters cannot seem to find ...

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Message 131 of 247 (138396)
08-31-2004 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by nator
08-31-2004 8:55 AM


Nobel Prize winners endorse Kerry
unfortunately that probably would negatively influence a lot of people ...
Adlai Stevenson was portrayed as "too intellectual" ...
(although the idea of being too intelligent for a job eludes me as a negative)

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Message 134 of 247 (138471)
08-31-2004 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Yaro
08-31-2004 12:23 PM


Re: an image of leadership?
oh yes, I shudder every time I hear him on the international stage.
crash says americans have a respect for proven intelligence, but to me this shows that they prefer very low levels ...
... bush has lots of intelligence, all of it low, but lots of it ...

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Message 137 of 247 (138637)
08-31-2004 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by johnfolton
08-31-2004 8:07 PM


Re: an image of leadership? Reality Check
Here is a different view:
We’re Not in Lake Wobegon Anymore
How did the Party of Lincoln and Liberty transmogrify into the Party of Newt Gingrich’s Evil Spawn and their Etch-A-Sketch President, a Dull and Rigid Man, whose Philosophy is a Jumble of badly sutured Body Parts trying to Walk?
by Garrison Keillor
Something has gone seriously haywire with the Republican Party. Once, it was the party of pragmatic Main Street businessmen in steel-rimmed spectacles who decried profligacy and waste, were devoted to their communities and supported the sort of prosperity that raises all ships. They were good-hearted people who vanquished the gnarlier elements of their party, the paranoid Roosevelt-haters, the flat Earthers and Prohibitionists, the antipapist antiforeigner element. The genial Eisenhower was their man, a genuine American hero of D-Day, who made it OK for reasonable people to vote Republican. He brought the Korean
War to a stalemate, produced the Interstate Highway System, declined to rescue the French colonial army in Vietnam, and gave us a period of peace and prosperity, in which (oddly) American arts and letters flourished and higher education burgeonedand there was a degree of plain decency in the country. Fifties Republicans were giants compared to today’s. Richard Nixon was the last Republican leader to feel a Christian obligation toward the poor.
In the years between Nixon and Newt Gingrich, the party migrated southward down the Twisting Trail of Rhetoric and sneered at the idea of public service and became the Scourge of Liberalism, the Great Crusade Against the Sixties, the Death Star of Government, a gang of pirates that diverted and fascinated the media by their sheer chutzpah, such as the misty-eyed flag-waving of Ronald Reagan who, while George McGovern flew bombers in World War II, took a pass and made training films in Long Beach. The Nixon moderate vanished like the passenger pigeon, purged by a legion of angry white men who rose to power on pure punk politics. Bipartisanship is another term of date rape, says Grover Norquist, the Sid Vicious of the GOP. I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub. The boy has Oedipal problems and government is his daddy.
The party of Lincoln and Liberty was transmogrified into the party of hairy-backed swamp developers and corporate shills, faith-based economists, fundamentalist bullies with Bibles, Christians of convenience, freelance racists, misanthropic frat boys, shrieking midgets of AM radio, tax cheats, nihilists in golf pants, brownshirts in pinstripes, sweatshop tycoons, hacks, fakirs, aggressive dorks, Lamborghini libertarians, people who believe Neil Armstrong’s moonwalk was filmed in Roswell, New Mexico, little honkers out to diminish the rest of us, Newt’s evil spawn and their Etch-A-Sketch president, a dull and rigid man suspicious of the free flow of information and of secular institutions, whose philosophy is a jumble of badly sutured body parts trying to walk. Republicans: The No.1 reason the rest of the world thinks we’re deaf, dumb and dangerous.
Rich ironies abound! Lies pop up like toadstools in the forest! Wild swine crowd round the public trough! Outrageous gerrymandering! Pocket lining on a massive scale! Paid lobbyists sit in committee rooms and write legislation to alleviate the suffering of billionaires! Hypocrisies shine like cat turds in the moonlight! O Mark Twain, where art thou at this hour? Arise and behold the Gilded Age reincarnated gaudier than ever, upholding great wealth as the sure sign of Divine Grace.
Here in 2004, George W. Bush is running for reelection on a platform of tragedythe single greatest failure of national defense in our history, the attacks of 9/11 in which 19 men with box cutters put this nation into a tailspin, a failure the details of which the White House fought to keep secret even as it ran the country into hock up to the hubcaps, thanks to generous tax cuts for the well-fixed, hoping to lead us into a box canyon of debt that will render government impotent, even as we engage in a war against a small country that was undertaken for the president’s personal satisfaction but sold to the American public on the basis of brazen misinformation, a war whose purpose is to distract us from an enormous transfer of wealth taking place in this country, flowing upward, and the deception is working beautifully.
The concentration of wealth and power in the hands of the few is the death knell of democracy. No republic in the history of humanity has survived this. The election of 2004 will say something about what happens to ours. The omens are not good.
Our beloved land has been fogged with fearfear, the greatest political strategy ever. An ominous silence, distant sirens, a drumbeat of whispered warnings and alarms to keep the public uneasy and silence the opposition. And in a time of vague fear, you can appoint bullet-brained judges, strip the bark off the Constitution, eviscerate federal regulatory agencies, bring public education to a standstill, stupefy the press, lavish gorgeous tax breaks on the rich.
There is a stink drifting through this election year. It isn’t the Florida recount or the Supreme Court decision. No, it’s 9/11 that we keep coming back to. It wasn’t the end of innocence, or a turning point in our history, or a cosmic occurrence, it was an event, a lapse of security. And patriotism shouldn’t prevent people from asking hard questions of the man who was purportedly in charge of national security at the time.
Whenever I think of those New Yorkers hurrying along Park Place or getting off the No.1 Broadway local, hustling toward their office on the 90th floor, the morning paper under their arms, I think of that non-reader George W. Bush and how he hopes to exploit those people with a little economic uptick, maybe the capture of Osama, cruise to victory in November and proceed to get some serious nation-changing done in his second term.
This year, as in the past, Republicans will portray us Democrats as embittered academics, desiccated Unitarians, whacked-out hippies and communards, people who talk to telephone poles, the party of the Deadheads. They will wave enormous flags and wow over and over the footage of firemen in the wreckage of the World Trade Center and bodies being carried out and they will lie about their economic policies with astonishing enthusiasm.
The Union is what needs defending this year. Government of Enron and by Halliburton and for the Southern Baptists is not the same as what Lincoln spoke of. This gang of Pithecanthropus Republicanii has humbugged us to death on terrorism and tax cuts for the comfy and school prayer and flag burning and claimed the right to know what books we read and to dump their sewage upstream from the town and clear-cut the forests and gut the IRS and mark up the constitution on behalf of intolerance and promote the corporate takeover of the public airwaves and to hell with anybody who opposes them.
This is a great country, and it wasn’t made so by angry people. We have a sacred duty to bequeath it to our grandchildren in better shape than however we found it. We have a long way to go and we’re not getting any younger.
Dante said that the hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who in time of crisis remain neutral, so I have spoken my piece, and thank you, dear reader. It’s a beautiful world, rain or shine, and there is more to life than winning.
2004 In These Times


Don't think I've ever seen him that angry.

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Message 139 of 247 (138654)
08-31-2004 10:21 PM


The Solution to Pollution is Bush ... NOT!
I was shown this by someone....
Study Finds Top Air Polluters Closely Tied to Bush Administration The nation's top 50 polluting power plants are owned by corporations that are tightly allied with the Bush Administration both as major campaign contributors and in conducting pollution policymaking, according to a new study released yesterday. Conducted by two nonprofit, nonpartisan groups--the Environmental Integrity Project and Public Citizen--the study utilized data from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Toxics Release Inventory (TRI).
Bush Administration Closeley tied to Top Air Polluters (click to go to the article)
http://www.bushgreenwatch.org/mt_archives/000112.php

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Message 144 of 247 (138671)
08-31-2004 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by jar
08-31-2004 11:06 PM


Re: whatever troll behavior
and what part about troll behavior don't you understand?

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Message 146 of 247 (138677)
08-31-2004 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by bob_gray
08-31-2004 11:42 PM


Re: Bush's #1 qualification is that he is not smart
LOL
lets see, there are 3 choices on most topics -- good, bad, and indifferent
bush sees only one so his "probability" of seeing the right one is 1/3
IF each choice has an equal "probability" of getting through his "filter"
If the filter takes out all but the bad choice we are in doo-doo
NOTE we are in doo-doo
conclusion anyone?

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Message 149 of 247 (138692)
09-01-2004 12:47 AM
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09-01-2004 12:21 AM


Re: Bush's #1 qualification is that he is not smart
yes
maybe he posts here ...

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Message 150 of 247 (138693)
09-01-2004 12:54 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by crashfrog
09-01-2004 12:45 AM


Re: Out of curiosity, Republicans...
yep. when you got nothing, resort to the old ad hominem and attack the opponent.
what's his plan? give larger tax breaks to the rich and greedy, gut more environmental and labour legislation, send social security into permanent bankruptcy, place more restrictions on education with no funding to force schools to go bankrupt to ensure the "no kid gets ahead" plan works, and ensure that more families are sent into poverty and deprived of benefits, especially the vets returning from his wars.
ie - more of same., but without fear of needing to get re-elected by committee of the supreme court.
any questions?

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Message 161 of 247 (138833)
09-01-2004 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by johnfolton
09-01-2004 12:26 PM


complete naval military and medical records in May of this year, he however still refuses to do so(what is Kerry hiding)
perhaps that he had a vasectomy or something else totally unrelated to his leadership abilities but which would become the subject of another round of attack ads by the totally unscrupulous and venal neocon machinery?
the pertinent records are available. Meanwhile bush as some missing ...
where was he ... ?
If you are truly a Pat Buchanan fan and he says DON'T VOTE FOR BUSH then why would you?
heh.

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