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Author Topic:   Quitting smoking?
Jon
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Message 48 of 140 (723104)
03-26-2014 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by New Cat's Eye
03-26-2014 10:30 AM


I switched to e-cigs and its amazing.
I still get my nicotine but my lungs don't feel ruined.
But you gotta buck up a little and get a good refillable one and not one of those cheap disposable gas station ones.
As subbie mentioned, Minnesota has a law that bans smoking in most public places (I'm not sure what's all included, but most restaurants, bars, etc. are smoke-free).
Recently, legislation has been pushed to treat e-cigarettes the same as regular cigarettes.
It is comforting to know that perhaps people will not wait decades to do something about the new fad while thousands of people potentially die as a result of someone else's poor habits.

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 81 of 140 (723235)
03-27-2014 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by hooah212002
03-27-2014 8:25 PM


Re: Just don't exhale
Why wait for study results?
Exactly the point I was laughed at for making earlier.
Why wait for decades of studies on the long-term effects of second-hand 'vapors'? How many people died from exposure to traditional second hand smoke while folks sat around waiting for 'study results' before choosing to do anything?
How many people are still dying because various locales refuse to recognize the health hazard?
You are reacting as if e-cigs are actively killing you, yet no one has a clue as to what is actually in the vapor.
All the more reason to tell folk to blow their mystery vapor somewhere else.
Explain how your argument differs from that of the "vaccines cause autism" argument?
Or, instead, you could explain how it is any bit similar.

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Jon
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Message 87 of 140 (723313)
03-28-2014 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by hooah212002
03-28-2014 12:30 AM


Re: Just don't exhale
There is no argument to make.
Show that it's safe.
Until then, keep it out of my air.

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 96 of 140 (723335)
03-29-2014 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Dogmafood
03-29-2014 5:54 AM


Re: Sounds like this book is a miracle method for quitting
I have no problem with being told that I can not smoke beside you while you are eating your salad but being told that I can not smoke in the park or on the patio or in my office has nothing to do with any danger to the health of others.
But it does pose a danger. And each new study shows the danger to be even greater than previously thought.
If someone chain-smokes on their balcony right below another's apartment, the other party can be exposed to second hand smoke relentlessly and undesirably in their own home.
What gives anyone the right to subject another person to those life-endangering conditions solely in preservation of their own sense of convenience?
Big signs that remind us how many people were killed by cars every time we go for a drive or pictures of clogged arteries on every bag of potato chips. We could have pictures of a cow being slaughtered on the menu beside the cheeseburgers and reminders of how intelligent a pig is beside the breakfast special. How about giant billboards of dead children in front of the munitions factory, oiled birds by every gas station and videos of working conditions in the garment factory when you go to buy your clothes.
I would be okay with that, and am actively in favor of some of those things.
I just think that the dissonance doesn't belong only to the smokers.
There is no dissonance. The evidence has spoken repeatedly that second hand smoke is dangerousa health hazard. The fact has been so well established that it is rather unconscionable for an honest person to not at least admit to the possibility of a similar risk with other second hand exposures and 'play it safe' until a reasonable amount of evidence can be collected to answer the question.
It's the most logically decent thing to do.
Let's be logically decent.
Jon

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