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arachnophilia
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Message 33 of 299 (215140)
06-07-2005 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by johndcal
05-07-2002 2:47 AM


not evolution
3. Almost everything is evolving according to natural law: from the expanding universe, to the death of stars, to the changing chemistry of the Earth's atmosphere. Is life the only thing that doesn't evolve by natural law -- requiring the continual "tinker toying" of God?
sure, but that's not evolution.

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Message 34 of 299 (215143)
06-07-2005 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Siguiendo la verdad
06-06-2005 12:44 PM


Re: Why do we have a seven day week?
gnojek may not know, but i do.
Why do we have a seven day week?
one for every planet, one for the sun, and one for the moon.
planet - english - latin - french
mars = tuesday - martis - mardi
mercury = wednesday - mercurii - mercredi
jupiter = thursday - jovis - jeudi
venus = friday - veneris - vendredi
saturn = saturday - saturni - samedi
the sun = sunday - solis - dimanche
the moon = monday - lunae - lundi
see the correlations?
this system was proposed by persian astronomers, to the romans who adopted and integrated it into their julian calendar in the first century ad. christianity was adopted by rome almost 250 years later, but it fit seamlessly, and has since been confused. it's simply a coincidence that the bible chooses the same number of days we do. in reality, a week has no astrological significance. it could be any number of days, really.
althought it usually somewhat coincides with the cycles of the moon. but only somewhat.

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Message 37 of 299 (215453)
06-08-2005 7:22 PM
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06-08-2005 5:23 PM


Re: Why do we have a seven day week?
but the names in English don't come from the planets, they come from names of Norse gods.
yes, that's why i put the latin and french equivalents, alongside the english.
(and what chiroptera said).
but thanks for picking up what i left out.

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Message 215 of 299 (266637)
12-07-2005 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by Carico
12-07-2005 11:21 PM


Re: Dogs, dogs, and more dogs
one intermediate can obviously interbreed with the ones before and after it, but after a certain distance, the ability to interbredd declines so that end results generally cannot breed.
with a chihuahua and a great dane, i suspect it's actually strictly practical reasons, not genetic ones.
quote:
”Mind-boggling’ variation
At the DNA level, two randomly chosen dogs differ only about as much as two randomly chosen people, yet the variation in appearance, size and behavior in dogs is “just mind-boggling,” Lander said in an earlier interview.
“How is it within one narrow gene pool you can produce Chihuahuas and Great Danes?” he asked.
Much of the answer involves differences in turning gene activity on and off, he said, and further study could improve the understanding of that.
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seriously, can you image a great dane getting on with a chihuahua? either way, i feel bad for the female.
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arachnophilia
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Message 218 of 299 (266640)
12-07-2005 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by Carico
12-07-2005 11:28 PM


lions and tigers, oh my.
Lions are not attracted to leopards and tigers are not attracted to wolves.
no, but apparently if you put a lion and a tiger of opposite sexes in a cage, they do mate.
quote:
Known ligers exist due to human influence, either by deliberate human intervention, or by humans putting lions and tigers in enclosed spaces together. In natural conditions tigers and lions generally do not inhabit the same territory - the two species used to coexist in the wild in India, but inhabited different regions.
Liger - Wikipedia
the only reason they don't breed in the wild is because they don't live in the same places.

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Message 221 of 299 (266646)
12-07-2005 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Carico
12-07-2005 11:32 PM


Re: Dogs, dogs, and more dogs
Oh? And when was the magic point where certain dogs stopped breed with other dogs and apes stopped interbreeding with humans?
who said anything about apes and humans? i was just pointing out that chihuahuas and great danes could concievably interbreed if it were practical. they are the same species, even genetically.
even across species, many animals can and do interbreed. some because of humans, other do it themselves.
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Some animal interspecies hybrids are:
  • Mule, a cross of female horse and a male donkey.
  • Hinny, a cross between a female donkey and a male horse.
  • Zeedonk/zonkey, a zebra/donkey cross.
  • Zorse or zebroid, a zebra/horse cross
  • Zony/zetland, a zebra/pony cross ("zony" is a generic term; "zetland" is specifically a hybrid of the Shetland pony breed with a zebra)
  • Dzo or zo: a cross between a domestic cow/bull and a yak. See also Bovid hybrid.
  • Beefalo/cattalo, a cross of an American Bison and a domestic cow. This is a fertile breed, although the two species are in different genera (Bison and Bos, respectively). See also Bovid hybrid.
  • Hybrids between sheep and goat, such as the Toast of Batswana .
  • Hybrids between black bears, brown bears, Kodiak and polar bears ursinae hybrids.
  • Wolfdog, the cross between a domestic dog and a Wolf. Fertile Canid hybrids occur between coyotes, wolves, dingos, jackals and domestic dogs. Dogs and wolves may be considered the same species, making wolfdogs a non-hybrid.
  • Hybrids between spotted owls and barred owls
  • Liger (or Tigon, depending on the parents' genders), a cross between a Lion and a Tiger. Various other wild cat crosses are known involving the Lynx, Bobcat, Leopard, Serval, etc (Felid_hybrids).
  • Hybrids between the domestic cat and wild cat species. The domestic cat, African wild cat and European wildcat may be considered variant populations of the same species (F libyca), making such crosses non-hybrids.
  • Congolese Spotted Lion
  • Cama, a cross between a Camel and a Llama, also an intergeneric hybrid.
  • Wolphin, a fertile but very rare cross between a False Killer Whale and a Bottlenose Dolphin.
  • A fertile cross between an albino King Snake and an albino Corn Snake.
  • At Chester Zoo in England, a cross between African elephant (male) and Indian elephant (female). The calf was named Motty. It died of gut infection after a few days.
  • Cagebird breeders sometimes make hybrids between species of finch, such as goldfinch x canary.
Some plant hybrids include:
  • Leyland Cypress, a hybrid between Monterey Cypress and Nootka Cypress.
  • Loganberry, a hybrid between raspberry and blackberry.
  • London Plane, a hybrid between Oriental Plane and American Plane (American Sycamore).
  • Tangelo, a hybrid of a mandarin orange and a pomelo or a grapefruit which may have been developed in Asia about 3,500 years ago.
  • Triticale, a wheat-rye hybrid.
  • Wheat, Most modern and ancient wheat breeds are themselves hybrids.
Hybrid - Wikipedia
evidently, this line does not lie at the species boundary.
Do you even know what you're saying?
yes, i do. do you know what i'm saying? evidently not, mr. jump-to-conclusions.

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arachnophilia
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Message 222 of 299 (266648)
12-07-2005 11:42 PM
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12-07-2005 11:35 PM


Re: Dogs, dogs, and more dogs
By the way, the "magic point" is called "speciation."
i hate to be a pain in the ass about this, but there ARE species that can and do interbreed.
Evolution is wrong because you don't like sex with animals?
i don't believe in aids either.

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