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Author Topic:   Potential falsifications of the theory of evolution
Panda
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Message 222 of 968 (590959)
11-10-2010 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by jar
11-10-2010 6:52 PM


Re: Do you have to work at making Christians look stupid?
Jar writes:
They can't adapt because WE changed the environment and change it faster than they can adapt.
When mountain gorillas see hunters coming they start breeding like crazy - hoping to 'win' Hippopotamus skin.
"Faster everyone! We just need a few more hundred thousand generations before we become bullet-proof! *crosses fingers*"
"The hunters are nearly here!"
"What do you mean: you aren't even pregnant yet?!"

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Panda
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Message 227 of 968 (591015)
11-11-2010 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 225 by AlphaOmegakid
11-11-2010 10:08 AM


Re: Extinction is Our Responsibility
AlphaOmegakid writes:
Granny Magda writes:
Genetic entropy is not on the list.
It's not? Oh let me inform you....It most definitely is!
Then why did you post quotes related to captive breeding and in-breeding?
And why do none of the documents even mention the word entropy?
{abe}
I think you are trying to show us your fantastic new discovery.
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

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Panda
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Message 263 of 968 (591653)
11-15-2010 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 261 by jar
11-15-2010 11:25 AM


Re: Must you continue to make Christians look stupid?
jar writes:
It was lots of floods over a very extended period.
But Aok says it was a global flood not lots of floods!!
AOK writes:
Now you do realize that evos have a global flood also, don't you?
So it must have happened!!
Unless Aok is lying, of course.

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Panda
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Message 265 of 968 (591664)
11-15-2010 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by jar
11-15-2010 12:17 PM


Re: Must you continue to make Christians look stupid?
jar writes:
I don't think he is lying, or that such a charge is warranted at all.
His blatant equivocation in his later posts leads me to think he is not debating honestly.
I think he knows when he gets things wrong and lies to cover up his mistakes.
I could be wrong, but that is what my instincts are telling me.
*shrug*

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Panda
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Message 290 of 968 (593441)
11-27-2010 5:21 AM
Reply to: Message 288 by Kaichos Man
11-27-2010 4:23 AM


Re: Potential falsifications
Kaichos Man writes:
Dear me, this is harder than I thought.
Obviously, since you failed to describe even one falsification to evolution.
TBH: it wasn't even a good attempt.
{abe} Re-Reading your post, I don't think you even know what a falsification is.
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

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Panda
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Message 291 of 968 (593443)
11-27-2010 5:41 AM
Reply to: Message 288 by Kaichos Man
11-27-2010 4:23 AM


Re: Potential falsifications
Kaichos Man writes:
Cold-blooded to warm-blooded? Even though a warm-blooded creature requires 10 times as much food as a cold-blooded creature? And in turn the creature needs to be warm-blooded in order to gather 10 times as much food? So in order to become warm-blooded you have to already be warm blooded?
There is no such thing as 'cold-blooded' and 'warm blooded' - they are obsolete terms that are only used in a colloquial sense.
How much an animal's body temperature is affected by the outside temperature is different between species.
This difference ranges from one end of the spectrum to the other with many shades of 'warm-bloodedness' inbetween.
You argument can only have any weight if animals were only 'completely warm blooded' or 'completely cold blooded'.
But as species evolve, they can slowly increase/decrease their thermoregulation, without detrimentally effecting their diet or behaviour.

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Panda
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Message 299 of 968 (593457)
11-27-2010 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 295 by Kaichos Man
11-27-2010 7:55 AM


Re: Potential falsifications
Kaichos Man writes:
Please provide a reference for this.
Here are 4 links for you:
Link 1
Link 2
Link 3
Link 4

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Panda
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Message 305 of 968 (593467)
11-27-2010 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 303 by jar
11-27-2010 9:42 AM


Re: Potential falsifications
jar writes:
Why do you continue to post things you know are false and have been refuted over and over again?
The Theory of Evolution has no connection to either Atheism or Faith and you have been shown conclusive evidence that falsifies that assertion.
No offense meant, but that is off-topic and just a rabbit hole for KM to lure you into.
There are more than enough on-topic errors to address first.
Edited by Panda, : tyops

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Panda
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Message 315 of 968 (593574)
11-27-2010 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by ICANT
11-27-2010 7:48 PM


Re: First things first
ICANT writes:
Does it take intelligence to understand what is preached about the ToE here at EvC?
Does it take intelligence to address the topic?
I take it from your off-topic comments that you think that there are falsifications of the theory of evolution.
But then I am left wondering why you didn't post any.

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Panda
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Message 321 of 968 (593631)
11-28-2010 7:26 AM
Reply to: Message 320 by Kaichos Man
11-28-2010 6:55 AM


Re: Potential falsifications
Kaichos Man writes:
We're waiting!
So, from your silence I take it that you accept that you were completely wrong in regards to warm/cold blooded animals?
Care to aknowledge your mistake?
We're waiting!
"For myself, also, I rejoice profoundly; for, thinking of so many cases of men pursuing an illusion for years, often and often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself whether I may not have devoted my life to a phantasy. Now I look at it as morally impossible that investigators of truth, like you and Hooker, can be wholly wrong, and therefore I rest in peace." Charles Darwin
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Panda
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Message 333 of 968 (594004)
12-01-2010 5:39 AM
Reply to: Message 332 by Kaichos Man
12-01-2010 5:17 AM


Re: Potential falsifications
KM writes:
So what does this prove, Panda? That some mammals have the ability to conserve energy when resting (hibernating bears, sleeping bats) and that some cold-blooded creatures (sharks and rays) can maximise temperatures to their eyes and brians?
It does mean that.
But it also means that animals are not completely 'warm-blooded' or 'cold-blooded'.
There are different grades of 'warm-bloodedness'.
I had hoped that phrases like
quote:
Both the terms "warm-blooded" and "cold-blooded" have fallen out of favour with scientists because of the vagueness of the terms and an increased understanding of the field
would have helped you realise that you are going in the wrong direction.
You claimed:
quote:
Cold-blooded to warm-blooded? Even though a warm-blooded creature requires 10 times as much food as a cold-blooded creature? And in turn the creature needs to be warm-blooded in order to gather 10 times as much food? So in order to become warm-blooded you have to already be warm blooded?
which was then shown to be falacious.
KM writes:
Metabolic versatility on the part of endotherms and ectotherms does not mean they are on the same scale.
If different species have different degrees of endothermic and ectothermic metabolisms then it is possible to go from 'full warm-blooded' to 'full cold-blooded' without the large jump you claimed was necessary (but impossible).
KM writes:
So what does this prove, Panda?
It proves you are wrong.

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Panda
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Message 417 of 968 (600191)
01-13-2011 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 416 by Dawn Bertot
01-13-2011 10:23 AM


Re: Bump for ICANT
taq writes:
Why don't we see both Elephants and Wooly Mammoths?
Dawn writes:
Havent we actually found one of these intact frozen in the ice? I suppose when you can produce an intact hommonid frozen in the ice, you will immediately get my attention
This appears to be more of your 'lying for jesus'.
Why are you avoiding the question?
Is it too difficult for you to understand?

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Message 432 of 968 (600264)
01-13-2011 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 429 by Taq
01-13-2011 4:20 PM


Here's an interesting table linked to Shadow71's link.
Something seems wrong with that table, but my biology knowledge is insufficient to be certain.
It is just a feeling, so I could easily be wrong.

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Panda
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Message 435 of 968 (600291)
01-13-2011 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 434 by Taq
01-13-2011 5:20 PM


Thank you.
That gives me something to build more knowledge on.

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Panda
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Message 437 of 968 (600294)
01-13-2011 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 436 by shadow71
01-13-2011 7:21 PM


shadow71 writes:
the evolutionist such as Jerry Coyne, Dawkins et al. Who arrogantly state Evolution is a fact.
Can you think of anyone else who says that Evolution is true?
shadow71 writes:
I have already stated my belief that Evolution has and continues to happen.
So, you agree with 'arrogant' evolutionists.
Good for you.

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