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Aegist
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Message 49 of 968 (341853)
08-21-2006 4:43 AM


Falsification Principles of Evolution
Getting back on topic...
This is the list as best I can gather from this thread and from Talk Origins (CA211: Evolution falsifiable )
Evolution would be falsified if:
1. There was a static fossil record;
2. True chimeras, that is, organisms that combined parts from several different and diverse lineages (such as mermaids and centaurs) and which are not explained by lateral gene transfer, which transfers relatively small amounts of DNA between lineages, or symbiosis, where two whole organisms come together;
3. a mechanism that would prevent mutations from occuring or accumulating;
4. observations of organisms being created.
5. Fossils found out of sequence
6. Demonstrating similar species have less genetic similarity than dis-similar species; i.e. showing Chicken DNA is closer to human DNA than Chimpanzee DNA
7. Demonstrating that the Earth is not Billions of years old
Can we add to the list?

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Aegist
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Message 51 of 968 (342157)
08-21-2006 8:42 PM
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08-21-2006 8:31 PM


Re: Falsification Principles of Evolution
While I agree with what you say entirely, I feel like the theory should be maintained as the complete theory UNTIl such time as evidence is presented to force a change to it.
So while showing that the earth is Billions of years old wouldn't change the fact that we have copious amounts of evidence for 'microevolution', I don't think the two attributes need to be seperated until evidence forces it to be.
At the moment all evidence points to acceptance of the complete theory. Descent with Variation under natural selection from a common ancestor billions of years ago. Any of those criteria would 'Falsify' THAT theory, and cause a revision where there would need to be forfeiture of the falsified attributes. Until such time, breaking evolutionary theory up into smaller parts seems to be inciting the creationists to act as if they must be right because we keep changing the target...
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Aegist
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Message 53 of 968 (342184)
08-21-2006 10:49 PM
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08-21-2006 9:35 PM


Re: Falsification Principles of Evolution
Once again, i find myself agreeing with all you have said, but still feel like the core concept of Evolution is being lost if you remove the descent from a common ancestor. The very point of evolutionary theory is : How do we explain the abundance in variety of life on Earth?
Evolutionary theory can explain it, and as we can see evidence for it working around us, we hold true that the theory explains where every species on earth came from: A common ancestor. no other explanation is required to explain where Bacteria, Coral, Fish, Insects, Reptiles, Birds and Mammals came from. They came about because any organism will change over time and speciation events will occur and thus all variety in life is explained.
Without explaining the diversity of all life on earth, you are just observing what was known for long before Darwin was alive: offspring are different to their parents, and if you breed selectively you can facilitate the direction of that change. This was known intuitively for thousands of years, yet Darwin caused a revolution because he dared observe that it could apply to all life and explain everything.

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Aegist
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Message 58 of 968 (342520)
08-22-2006 9:35 PM
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08-21-2006 11:30 PM


Re: Jess a note:
Its not always about responding to the individual. Forums are very popular in Search Engines, and I am sure far more people lurk forums and read them for information than for the goal of participation.
When something erroneous is said, no matter who said it and no matter how long ago, for the good of the lurkers it should be set straight.

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Aegist
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Message 60 of 968 (342537)
08-22-2006 10:05 PM
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08-22-2006 9:49 PM


Re: Falsification Principles of Evolution
Thanks for the thorough replies. I guess I agree with all you have said now!

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