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Author | Topic: If the Bible is metaphorical then perhaps so is the God of the Bible | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
CarlinKnew Junior Member (Idle past 5451 days) Posts: 29 Joined: |
Are there similar metaphorical indicators in the creation story of Genesis?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9208 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Absolutely not. My explanation that "proper interpretation requires historical, grammatical, and cultural study of the passage in question" implies the opposite. Hermeneutics has a scholarly, objective basis. Please show how an interpretation is objective. It is based upon an interpretation so by virtue of that it is subjective. You will never know what the original intent was and you can not say that any of it is based upon a real historical incident, therefore it is subjective. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3026 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
Are there similar metaphorical indicators in the creation story of Genesis? Since you have moved from the clear "sheep" metaphor Jesus used in John 10:27, you tell me what you think may be a metaphor in the Genesis creation account, and I'll do my best to tell you whether or not I believe it's a metaphor.
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Peg Member (Idle past 4960 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
Carlinknew writes: I'll rephrase then: how do Christians decide which parts of the Bible are true? what do you mean by 'which parts of the bible are true'? i still dont get where you are coming from or what you are trying to understand?? all of the bible is true. The writings have different authors and purposes. there are historical writings and prophetic writings, there are laws and there is poetry/songs which tell stories. All the writings are true in that they have been written to instruct or teach or relay information...the way that information is relayed is not always to be taken literally though. Often metaphores are used as a teaching aid, but that doesnt make the writing 'untrue'.
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Peg Member (Idle past 4960 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
Carlinknew writes: Yes, I'm interested in authorial intent. How do Christians determine that the authors intended the Genesis creation account to be metaphorical, but the story of the resurrection was intended to be literal? Not all christians view the creation account to be a metaphore.The account does not present as such. It is a brief account of creation and of Mankinds fall from perfection. I, and many others, view it as a literal account. the same goes for the flood account. Noah is listed in Jesus genealogy presented by Mathew and Luke, as is Adam... so if they were metaphorical people, do you think they would be listed in a real persons genealogy? This shows the two accounts are to be taken literally.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2326 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Peg writes:
Aside from the fact that it is far from clear that Jesus was a real person, of course this happened. People did this all the time. Alexander the great was said to be descended from Zeus, does this make Zeus real? Pharaohs in egypt were said to be descended from Osiris. Does this make Osiris real? The list goes on and on. Noah is listed in Jesus genealogy presented by Mathew and Luke, as is Adam... so if they were metaphorical people, do you think they would be listed in a real persons genealogy? I hunt for the truth
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CarlinKnew Junior Member (Idle past 5451 days) Posts: 29 Joined: |
Is it really so unclear what I'm asking? How do Christians determine which stories of the Bible are intended to be metaphorical and which parts are to be taken literally?
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CarlinKnew Junior Member (Idle past 5451 days) Posts: 29 Joined: |
Well is the creation story to be taken literally?
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CarlinKnew Junior Member (Idle past 5451 days) Posts: 29 Joined: |
Not all, but the majority. I'm interested in how they came to that conclusion.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
CarlinKnew writes:
Take it from a guy who have been talking to creationists for years. The tactic they use in this case to answer your question is playing dumb. If someone asks you a question you know you're damned if you answer honestly, the best way to avoid it is pretend like you don't understand the question and hope the person would forget. Creationists are notorious at playing dumb.
Is it really so unclear what I'm asking?
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
As Carl Vintnor said when he was accused of "playing God":
"We are not playing."
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3026 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
Well is the creation story to be taken literally? Yes! That's why it says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Then it goes on to reveal how God created every creature after their own kind, and finally God created man in the image of God. If you think some parts are metaphorical, point them out from your viewpoint, and we who know our Creator will respond. Edited by John 10:10, : added comments
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CarlinKnew Junior Member (Idle past 5451 days) Posts: 29 Joined: |
Are the days of creation literally 24 hour periods?
Was the first man literally created from dust? Was the first woman literally created from a man's rib?
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CarlinKnew Junior Member (Idle past 5451 days) Posts: 29 Joined: |
Are there any Christians on this site who aren't Bible Literalists who can respond to the OP?
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4220 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Yes! That's why it says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Then it goes on to reveal how God created every creature after their own kind, and finally God created man in the image of God. If you think some parts are metaphorical, point them out from your viewpoint, and we who know our Creator will respond. I will say the entire book of Genesis is metaphorical, mythological and/or alleghorical. It is stories told by bronze aged men about what they observed with the use of human imagination to "connect the dots."If one looks at these stories though the eyes of those who told these stories instead of through 21st century eyes, one can easily see that the Genesis stories are no more real than Greek, Roman, Norse, Egyptian, Mayan, Hindi, Muslem and Chinese mythology. Edited by bluescat48, : sp There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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