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Author Topic:   If the Bible is metaphorical then perhaps so is the God of the Bible
CarlinKnew
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Message 1 of 243 (509438)
05-21-2009 6:31 PM


To those who only take certain parts of the Bible literally, how do you determine where the metaphors end and the facts begin? Maybe God Himself is simply a metaphor for something else like the forces of nature.

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Message 5 of 243 (509529)
05-22-2009 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Peg
05-22-2009 8:52 AM


met⋅a⋅phor
  /ˈmɛtəˌfɔr, -fər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [met-uh-fawr, -fer] Show IPA
—noun
1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in A mighty fortress is our God. Compare mixed metaphor, simile (def. 1).
2. something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol. (dictionary.com)

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Message 6 of 243 (509531)
05-22-2009 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Dr Adequate
05-22-2009 8:58 AM


Bible Literalists at least claim to take the entire Bible literally.
How do you decide what you know to be untrue?

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Message 8 of 243 (509534)
05-22-2009 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Dr Adequate
05-22-2009 9:26 AM


Most Christians take the story of the resurrection literally. How could they have come to that conclusion by comparing statements in the Bible with reality?

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Message 10 of 243 (509543)
05-22-2009 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Dr Adequate
05-22-2009 9:59 AM


That's basically the same thing, unless they pick and choose certain parts of the Bible to compare with reality and turn a blind eye to other parts.
I'll rephrase then: how do Christians decide which parts of the Bible are true?

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Message 13 of 243 (509554)
05-22-2009 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Theodoric
05-22-2009 11:08 AM


I've run into the same problem many times. In this thread I'm hoping to understand their rhyme or reason.

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Message 14 of 243 (509555)
05-22-2009 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by purpledawn
05-22-2009 11:25 AM


Re: Doctrine
That is possible, although I've spoken to Christians who claim to have studied the Bible comprehensively and are still somehow able to differentiate between the metaphor and the literal.

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CarlinKnew
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Message 16 of 243 (509585)
05-22-2009 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Dr Adequate
05-22-2009 3:00 PM


Are you saying they assume the stories of the Bible are true until proven otherwise?

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Message 19 of 243 (509590)
05-22-2009 4:38 PM


I appreciate all of the responses, but I mostly agree with them and therefore don't have much to add. I encourage everyone to please keep replying because I value your opinions, but I would like to hear from some Christians as well.

  
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Message 23 of 243 (509759)
05-24-2009 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by kbertsche
05-23-2009 1:41 AM


Yes, I'm interested in authorial intent. How do Christians determine that the authors intended the Genesis creation account to be metaphorical, but the story of the resurrection was intended to be literal?

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Message 24 of 243 (509760)
05-24-2009 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by John 10:10
05-24-2009 8:42 AM


Re: Wrong question!
If you want to ask a different question and answer it in your own thread, please do so, but that's NOT the question I'm asking in this thread, so please do not clutter this thread with off topic posts.

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Message 26 of 243 (509763)
05-24-2009 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by John 10:10
05-24-2009 2:39 PM


Re: Wrong question!
I meant: How do Christians decide which parts of the Bible are literally true and which parts are meant to be metaphorical?

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Message 31 of 243 (509775)
05-24-2009 10:02 PM
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05-24-2009 9:35 PM


Re: Wrong question!
Are there similar metaphorical indicators in the creation story of Genesis?

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Message 37 of 243 (509824)
05-25-2009 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Peg
05-25-2009 7:10 AM


Is it really so unclear what I'm asking? How do Christians determine which stories of the Bible are intended to be metaphorical and which parts are to be taken literally?

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CarlinKnew
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Message 38 of 243 (509825)
05-25-2009 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by John 10:10
05-24-2009 11:38 PM


Re: Wrong question!
Well is the creation story to be taken literally?

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